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I agree with AFayiz 100 percent. If Allah has said their meat is not permitted then who on earth are we to permit it.
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JazakAllah khair for seconding me. My point was just that you gave words to but sometimes in forum people took these wrong so I tried to be cautious
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we use only term halal here in Australia usually and most of the times
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That was a completely different scenario and the subject matter of that thread had nothing to do with religion. This topic does. Let’s not compare the two please. You’ve made some valid points here and the discussion is flowing nicely.
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Halal/Zabiha only. There is no excuse for me to eat otherwise.
End of the day the way I see it is if you’re desperate then you can eat haraam food to survive only. BUT in the west nobody is in a state of desperation (generally)
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At home, only Zabiha, of course. Outside, only seafood or vegetarian, or places that use certified Zabiha meat. I’m lucky to have a lot of such places in my city…Chinese, Burgers, Thai, Mediterranean, there are even KFC franchises that use Zabiha chicken. I don’t feel deprived or have any problems eating out. Although, when I do go to Subway, I always make sure they change their gloves before making my sandwich. It’s surprising how many blank stares this request has gotten from the teenager behind the counter who just handled a fistful of bacon and then proceeded to make my Veggie Lite. 
I didn’t grow up like this though. I’ve noticed that the families that immigrated to the US in the late 60’s/70’s/early 80’s didn’t have an issue with eating non Zabiha. Maybe it was because lack of resources, I don’t know, but my parents, who were very religious in every other aspect, did not enforce this upon us. It’s like it never even dawned on them. In fact, in my city/community, this debate didn’t even start raging until the early 90’s or so. 
I didn’t become strict about it until after I got married because to my husband, it mattered greatly (he came to the US as a teenager).
Also, for some reason, Arab Muslims don’t give a hoot about this lol! I know a lot of Arab families (Egyptian, Jordanian, Lebanese etc) and none of them have any issues eating meat (chicken/beef etc) that is not Zabiha. It’s only in our Indo/Pak community where I’ve seen this divide, and even then I’ve heard and read lectures by Shayks who condone it and others who condemn it.
Allah knows best.
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WOW!!! party is going on for HARAAM Food/Meat 
I wish I could taste it if it’s not declared as HARAAM by **ALLAH :hinna:
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dekhein to sahi log tareef kyun kerte hein itni khaa khaa ke… 
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Please don’t taunt or mock other posters for their beliefs or interpretations. This is a personal choice and I’ll not allow this thread to turn into a mud slinging, “I’m-a-better-Muslim-than-you” debate.
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thankfully in europe there is only halal (zabiha in usa canada) ..or haram. so its very easy.
but living in canada… it was all zabiha… i didnt know of the term until we started living there. always found it confusing … if halal is only meat thats been slaughtered in god’s name.. then how can there be levels of halal?? (zabiha and halal).
also… why do pp go through the trouble of buying only zabiha for home when they are comfy eating non zabiha outside? to each their own ofcourse… but ive always wondered what the thought process was.
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It is very confusing in North America…the differentiation of *halal vs zabiha. *And then you throw in Jewish Kosher butchers/meat and you get more divisive camps saying yay or nay.
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Zabiha only at home or otherwise. Even in a restaurant I will not eat unless it’s zabiha. I won’t knowingly eat anything haram (interchangeable with non-zabiha). Because it’s a sin to do it knowingly and as AFayiz mentioned, it’s not without its harms to do so unknowingly.
From my understanding, the distinction of zabiha and halal happened to be from definitions by Christian Arabs and even certain Muslims that the only thing we can say is haram is pork and we can’t categorize beef or chicken as haram, therefore it’s halal though not necessarily zabiha. Knowing that people categorize meat by that definition, the zabiha is added to rule it out, though technically the meat is haram unless it’s zabiha.
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Yup that’s what my ILS told me as well…in the early 70s when they moved here from pakistan, there wasn’t any butchers that provided zabiha meat, the closest was couple of hours away, so they
would go every 2 months to stock up on meat, but for dining out they didn’t care so much, ate chicken ONLY
One of my friends in the US told me that they eat McDonald’s because most of it is kosher meat (chicken and beef), so It is ok for consumption.
She also said that something about ISNA condoning it? (don’t know if she meant zabiha or halal) hence some of muslims don’t have an issue getting a chicken burger from a fast food joint.
Have you heard anything like this?
I didn’t know the difference between halal and Zabihah but we always got halal food and ate seafood and veggies. It really is a personal choice and I would call the haraaam police on them.
Lordy lord I meant I wouldn’t call the haraam police on them!! Anyone who knows me knows I am a hard am police fugitive!!!
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Really there isn’t a difference between halal and zabiha (wherever zabiha is applicable that is). Zabiha is used to specify that you’re not just talking about halal as in not pork. Now, even with zabiha, there’s further specification about the method of slaughter, so on some packaging you’ll see it further specified that the animal was hand slaughtered.
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It is silly to be scared of speaking your mind.
So silly I suggest you not post in this thread until you develop some more courage.
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**Ḥalāl (Arabic: حلال *ḥalāl, ‘permissible’) is any object or an action which is permissible to use or engage in, according to Islamic law. The term covers and designates not only food and drink as permissible according to Islamic law, but also all matters of daily life.[SUP][1]](Halal - Wikipedia)[/SUP] The opposite of this word is haraam.
**Dhabīḥah (ذَبِيْحَة) is the prescribed method of slaughtering all meat sources, excluding fish and other sea-life, per Islamic law. This method of slaughtering animals consists of using a well-sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, windpipe, and jugular veins. The head of an animal that is slaughtered using halal methods is aligned with the qiblah. In addition to the direction, permitted animals should be slaughtered upon utterance of the Islamic prayer “in the name of God.”
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I guess the grey area that many people argue about is that in non Muslim countries, lets say America for example, are the Christians considered Ahl e Kitaab, thus rendering “oustside” meat persmissable? :hmmm:
This the argument that I’ve seen waged between the two camps (this debate creeps up in my masjid yahoo group quite frequently, I pulled this passage from an email that was circulating recently)
Food in usa lawful or not
In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.
If a few conditions (which are listed below) can be met, then the meat served in predominantly Christian nations like the USA can be termed halaal. It does not matter if the meat is beef, or lamb, or chicken, or any of the halaal animals, the terms remain the same.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verse 5:
All the good and pure things have today been made ‘halaal’ for you; the food of the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) is ‘halaal’ for you, and your food for them.
It is evident from the above aayah of the Holy Quran that the food of the People of the Book (Jews and the Christians) is halaal for the believers. Some people say that the People of the Book today commit ‘shirk’ and since the food of the mushriks is ‘haraam’, therefore the food slaughtered by the People of the Book is also ‘haraam’. This deduction is incorrect, as the Quran itself condemns the Jews and Christians for invoking their Prophets as the son of Allah and thus committing shirk. But Allah has made the food of the People of the Book halaal as seen in the above aayah of Surah Maidah in the Holy Quran.
If the below five conditions are met, the food served by the People of the Book will be deemed halaal for the believers.
- The animal itself should be halaal in Shariah. (Even if a muslim (Allah forbid) were to slaughter swine, it will not make it halaal!!).
- The one who slaughters the animal must either be a Muslim, or a Jew or a Christian. If any other person slaughters the animal, it will not be considered halaal.
- The animal has to be slaughtered and the blood should be oozed out naturally. It does not matter if the animal is slaughtered by hand or by a machine, from the front of the neck or from the back. What is important is that the veins must be cut to allow the blood to be oozed out of the body.
- The animal should have been alive at the time of slaughter. It is a routine in most slaughterhouses in the West, that they electrocute or sting the animal with an electric shock, and then slaughter the animal. That is fine, as long as we one is satisfied that the electric shock did not kill the animal before its slaughter!
- The condition that Allah’s name has to be pronounced is not a condition for the People of the Book, as long as nobody else’s’ name is pronounced. If anybody else’s name other than Allah is pronounced at the time of slaughter, it does not matter who slaughters the animal, that meat is haraam.
Your Question: can we muslims in USA eat chicken which some ppl say is halal n sum ppl say its not
The conditions which would make the flesh of a chicken ‘halaal’ are no different from the conditions which would make the flesh of any other animal lawful. Provided the above listed five conditions of slaughter are honored, the food will be considered lawful for the believers; and if even one amongst the above listed five conditions are violated, that food will be deemed unlawful for the believers to consume.
Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.
full disclaimer…I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the above quoted material..just trying to introduce another facet to the conversation so please don’t jump down my throat
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Well, i’m not saying that zabiha and halal are always interchangeable, though I take them as equivalent when it comes to meat.
I’ve heard the people of the book argument also. So the question is can we assume that food served in Western countries can be automatically assumed to be the food of the people of the book. In order for it to qualify as the food of the people of the book, it would have to be slaughtered in the way that was prescribed to them and not the way the meat is mass produced today. Another point to consider would be that are the people who are doing the slaughtering, do they really believe in their religion, its basic tenets etc. or are they just culturally people of the book. Though I’d be fine with eating the food of the people of the book, I couldn’t reliably ascertain that the meat served anywhere would properly qualify.
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ya but how can we make sure they are indeed ahl e qitaab? i know more than enough non practicing jews xtians etc.
if a muslim is non practicing.. he wont he slaughtering animals in gods name… he wont care.
likewise for non practicing ahl e kitaabs no? or is it just the fact that … its produce from their country thus, its ok?
also… isnt kosher meat meant to be consumed when nothing else is available ?
and if the rest of the world … eruope included, can easily differentiate between halal (only that food slaughtered in god’s name) and haram (pork, sharab, even chicken and meat that hasnt beel salughtered in god’s name etc)… why is it so hard for americans and canadians to do so too? if all chicken was halal… there would be no reason to seperate the halal from non halal in the produce section… no need for halal butchers…etc.
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Well it’s not that it’s hard. But because of how liberally some define halal, you can ask someone if their food is halal, they’ll tell you yes. Then ask if it’s zabiha, they’ll say no.
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totally agree with capt obvious. hell will be freezing over soon.