Islam is not for blind followers, it wants you to argument, ask and then the concept of ijtihad so it can blend with every environment. As i said before this is one of the reasons we Muslims are in such grieve troubles today. Do you know Turkey is revising hadith's and no one speak against it? People talk about shariah law & Islamic state, please tell me how we are going to achieve this goal? Do you truly believe cutting hands, chopping off heads, stoning to death will be tolerated in todays world? We need Islamic renassiance !
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The statement in the Qur'an is that our purpose is for the worship of Allah (SWT). If someone can pull everything towards religion or give it a religious spin then we know that person has understood this verse - we know that this person is not engaging in blind faith, but rather is seeing where the works of man are compatible with the injunction from God.
Conversely should we modify Islam to fit with the requirements of man then we are worshipping other than God.
Things like penal systems are somewhat subject to interpretation but there are some things that we cannot change.
The problem of today in a nutshell:
We have inherited Islam from a time when it was pure and began to implement Shari'ah and we established a Caliphate to manage its affairs. We see that the early scholars relaxed those frameworks on societies that were not used to certain areas, but we also see a systematic maturation of society as Islam flourished.
What we can deduce is that Islamic supporting frameworks found in Shari'ah history are to be implemented with fuller zeal in Islamically aware societies and reduce this implementation level for societies with lower Islamic sensibilities. However, we should always put in place a system that encourages all societies to try to reach that mature Islamic state in order for the laws to be implemented with fuller zeal.
So when you talk about what is or is not acceptable in society may be a point to consider by the scholars but they have to temper this concern with what or what cannot be too relaxed such that it seems to be legitamising the action. There needs to be a reasonable degree of harshness applied according to the society and gradually when people become so 'good' that theft is considered so evil the rules for chopping off the hands can be reapplied. What we need to do is not re-evaluate Islam but re-evaluate how we should steer people and society towards the optimal Islamic outlook, which in time should resemble the early Caliphates. (Not on a technological level, but an ethical, penal and legislative level)
Re: Do you beleive in Darwinism or Intelligent Design ?
depending on the nature of belief, one can argue that given its objective evidence,
theory of evolution is correct, and of course what is shared through religion, about the origin of mankind, and other creation on earth and its purpose, that perspective is true, as well.
depending on the nature of belief, one can argue that given its objective evidence,
theory of evolution is correct, and of course what is shared through religion, about the origin of mankind, and other creation on earth and its purpose, that perspective is true, as well.
So, are you saying that both are true simultaneously? How could that be possible? I think both scenarios are mutually exclusive...
so what is the evidence that there was this person who made everything out of nothing. how could you prove it? and for that i wont take something from the scriptures. give me something more satisfying, something that ACTUALLY proves that a super being made this universe out of nothing.
can you do that?
Why is it that you just run away from something written in a scripture. Obviously for some reason muslim put their faith in the Quran. Our scripture is the ONLY scripture which has survived the test of time and that is the testament to its veracity. Quran and Bible have no comparison when it comes to its history of authenticity and preservation and also when its verses are studied against modern scientific data. Most of the hostility extended to muslims under the very pretext that religion is flawed is the failure of Christian scriptures not Islamic ones. Bible was authored by people not Quran. Obviously I am not out of my mind to believe this either. What I want from you is to explain to me how the verses in the Quran which can be interpreted based on modern scientific data are in accordance with scientific facts when such knowledge could not have been possessed by any man of that century or even centuries later? The answer is obvious for someone with the least bit of intellectual honesty, it wasn't mans doing but it had divine or some external influence to it. This gives me all the reason to believe in the creed of that scripture as well i.e. GOD or ALLAH. And again evolution is not a proven fact for human origins but remains on ongoing research with tremendous loopholes and assumptions. The very premise of its research today is to analyze it from the viewpoint that if God was not the one responsible for creating humans then how could we have come about. Its a hypothesis.
the arguments used by 'intelligent design' believers are not logical or scientific by any means... il take one for now... OOOO something cannot be created from nothing.. so there must be a god tht created everything.. wtf? by this logic who created the god then ???? don't make sense!!!
scientists and darwinians dont claim to have all the answers but we promise that we will not make crap up just to claim that we know eveything... the quest for knowledge shall continue! we will unearth more and more amazing facts about our universe all the time.. and everytime i do.. our religious dogmatic cousins will try to find a way to accomodate them in their 'oh we knew it, this book said it, that book said it, this book meant it, that book meant it' crap just so that they can sya 'we know it all'.
sorry for the typos
in a rush:P
It seems to me that you have no clue what you are discussing with me or understanding my POV. I never claimed to be sitting in the bandwagon of Intelligent design. I have been talking about Islam and evolution all along and here you are lumping me believers of Intelligent design. Please learn to distinguish that muslims and their scriptures are different from Christians and their scriptures. Do not lump all religions into one or their scriptures into one.
Re: Do you beleive in Darwinism or Intelligent Design ?
only 14 % of Pakistani believe in Evolution? Shock! so 86 % are far away from Islam or didn't have the chance to study Islam and Nature? Evolution plays a big part in Islam!
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The Qur'an is not just a book someone wrote! Study it, not read! Study it!
Why is it that you just run away from something written in a scripture. Obviously for some reason muslim put their faith in the Quran. Our scripture is the ONLY scripture which has survived the test of time and that is the testament to its veracity. Quran and Bible have no comparison when it comes to its history of authenticity and preservation and also when its verses are studied against modern scientific data. Most of the hostility extended to muslims under the very pretext that religion is flawed is the failure of Christian scriptures not Islamic ones. Bible was authored by people not Quran. Obviously I am not out of my mind to believe this either. What I want from you is to explain to me how the verses in the Quran which can be interpreted based on modern scientific data are in accordance with scientific facts when such knowledge could not have been possessed by any man of that century or even centuries later? The answer is obvious for someone with the least bit of intellectual honesty, it wasn't mans doing but it had divine or some external influence to it. This gives me all the reason to believe in the creed of that scripture as well i.e. GOD or ALLAH. And again evolution is not a proven fact for human origins but remains on ongoing research with tremendous loopholes and assumptions. The very premise of its research today is to analyze it from the viewpoint that if God was not the one responsible for creating humans then how could we have come about. Its a hypothesis.
Now, I feel what Darwin would have gone thru, a couple of centuries ago.....it seems like we still have ppl from that era in this forum.