Do you beleive in Darwinism or Intelligent Design ?

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According to the above article…only 14% of the Pakis believe in evolution ? What do you believe in ? Were you taught “the theory of evoulution” in school and just thought it is BS ?

Please Comment…Just like to know your views !!!

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I don't believe that humans evolved from anything. I believe that they are all descendants of Adam (A.S), who was created directly by Allah and has no ancestors. As for animals, I'm not completely denying in the same way I do about humans, but I don't particularly believe in it either.

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Evolution and Intelligent design share a position in that they both assert the gradual development of entities to the formation of other entities.

However, they differ in that Intelligent Design mandates that such intricate processes can only be set in motion by an Intelligent Force - we can call that God.

However, according to Islamic thought these are both grave generalisations and which ever way we have come into existence our perception does not end there. We are required to believe that we the universe is sustained every moment by God. Should even a picosecond of unsustaining take place then the universe will cease to exist. It is as though we are a universe of modelling clay and each frame is a new set built from scratch to create a motion picture. Life and causality is not dissimilar to this. Each split-moment that we are sustained is as good as a new universe being wiped away and replaced exactly as before with slight changes within an insignificant time-frame.

Whether things gradually change or not everything that we perceive is based on the idea that it takes place by itself. But this is the very delusion that we do not see.

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no that iz all science,, i believe Allah s.w.t created everything and iz the master of the universe stupid science think they could get in the way of religion

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please refer to this brilliant work by Shaykh Nuh Keller: Evolution and Islam

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My Personal Opinion:

First of all - both of these theories are UNTRUE (the way they are percieved!)

Before I say anything, let me clearify something.

For the Belivers:
If you "believe" that Adam (A.S) was the first man to step foot on earth and EVE is the first woman , then all the power to you. This is your BELIEF, this is your own personal choice! It has nothing to do with science, nor opinions / thoughts of others. If you are content with it - then thats all that matters.

For the scientists:
Science is an ever changing field. The goal of science is to achieve the truth (based on facts). Big Bang *theory, *evolution theory are all UNPROVEN theories (not facts). For all our understanding these are the ones that make most sense (but that doesn't mean this is the TRUTH). Hence, these are called THEORIES.

Now, once you have opened yourself to accept the truth (whatever it maybe). You need to start looking at the bigger picture. Adam / Eve belief make more sense that evolution. How come? Well Every Animal / Plant etc came onto this earth all of sudden (whenever they made their entry). It didn't "evolve" from a previous being. If things truly evolved from one thing to another - then we will have a clear pathway how things were evolved from one being to another (for example, a rabbit grew a tail, then it grew a wing, then another wing, then they become stronger... until it transformed into a bird). So we will have infinate "hybrid" species - but in reality WE HAVE FOUND A SINGLE CREATURE WITH TRUE HYBRID CHARACTRISTICS.
Now coming back to beliefs - Quran came to teach us a lesson - so we learn something and live a better life in this world (and after). It is not a book of history, and that is one of the reason it break stories in different parts so you will not cling to the story (but learn the morale behind it). Hence the ADAM / EVE (A.S) story is more for morale than a true history!

I have to go, hopefully I will return and expalin some more :)

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there is plenty of room in what is known about evolution. some fill that with random chance and a trust in undiscovered process, others fill God in the gaps. both are as scientifically valid. intelligent design has many variants depending on how strongly they try to mould science into the religion (christianity), for example versions where it is argued that the age of the universe is 4000 years are patently flying in the face of verfiable facts. also i am skeptical about theories that say that it was the jews who planted the fossils in different parts of the world.

i personally am agnostic when it comes to evolution. it could be either, and it doesnt change my faith. if its entirely blind evolution, there is still the first cause and the creator of the physical processes, conditions and laws needed for evolution.

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I believe that if there is hard evidence in support of evolution, and if the Koran is truth and knowledge of everything in exisistance in the Universe, then the Koran should also be in support of evolution.

If it is in contradiction, then obviously its our understanding of the koran that is flawed.

Adam and Eve for example, could be metaphors for the first truly evolved humans. Implying that there were other beings prior to the arrival of Adam and ev e who werent quite human.

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Personally I do believe in evolution.. There are examples of evolution all around us. A simple extrapolation over millions of years, and you can imagine how all these minute changes we see all around us could possiby add up to something much bigger.

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Edit on original post. It should read: WE **HAVEN'T **FOUND A SINGLE CREATURE WITH TRUE HYBRID CHARACTRISTICS.

Quran actually hints evolution. I will quote the verses later.

Also, there is macro-evolution and micro-evolution. One is more viable than the other. Can you guess which one (scientifically speaking)?

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They have found animals that are hybrids... Recently they found what is believed to be the earliest sea creature to make its way to land.

They have found ancient dinosaurs that resemble birds. Infact, many anatomaical features of modern birds, resemble Dinosaur anatomy.

And isnt a Whale a sort of hybrid? Here you have a mammal, that produces milk, has to surface for air, has hair etc, and yet looks like a fish.

Microevolution is ofcourse more likely, infact its evident. Cancer cells and bacteria show microevolution. Microevolution is only evolution over a shorter time scale.
But if you pile up these microevolutions over millions of years, they become rather substantial.

The human race itself is indicitve of this process. The fact that we have whilte people in colder northern regions and darker people in warmer southern regions, indicates this adapation.

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Adaptation is different than evolution. Skin color changing (adaptation) is because of sun ray's its not an evolution to become a better spicy (because in evolution Fittest Survives)

Can you please show me more creatures that are hybrid?

I don't think whale is the right example, yes it has characteristics of mamals and non-sea animals but it just a unique creature of its own.
Since its evolutions you have to show at least three animals that are in synch with each other. For example, there is a "fish" charactristic whale ... that turned into mammal whale (as we know now) .... that turned into a "land" whale or something. It shows evolution that one thing transformed to another.

We always find two animals that have some similar charactristics - and they are seperated by thousands of years apart. Yes, it is possible they have evolved from one to another - but we must be able to find at least 1 example where we can see this path clearly and not just two thousands of years apart creatures that have some similarties.

Again, let me clarify my original statement:

Evolutions make sense to (limited) human logic, but we have as much proof of it as God putting Adam / Eve on earth. Just because we lack a concrete proof of evolution, should we abondon it? Absolutely not. We need to do more research and explore more because that will increase our understanding of Quran and Science. We just need to keep in mind , that it is not concrete.

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God is limited. He does not like competition.

He requires 'cells' to build life 'structure'.

He requires oxygen for every living organism to live.

He requires water for living organism to stay alive.

His creatures depend on so many things.

His creatures have so many flaws including mental and physical deficits.

These deficits make these organisms and animals die before birth or immediately after birth.

Why make such a faulty product to begin with?

What point is proved by making the woman suffer and having to deal with an immature non-livable product of conception?

Anyone can answer these ?

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So you believe in a fairy tale.

Intelligent Design is nothing but a retarded attempt by Religion to compete with Science.

Plenty of debates and discussions available on Youtube.

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Intelligent design is not intelligent at all.

Evolution...I can't argue for or against it because I don't know much about biology. I have seen very interesting (non creationist) arguments against evolution.

But the difference between evolution and intelligent design is that the theory of evolution is an honest attempt at trying to understand how we came about, as flawed as it may be (ignoring conspiracy theories here). creationism or inelligent design is not based on anything but blind faith. It is not an attempt at understanding reality but an attempt to fit reality into a preconceived image.

So I prefer evolution.

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Adaptation is a mechanism by which evolution works. Race differences are an adapatation to differnt environments. That is why skin color is genetic variation, along with other features.

The problem is that even if we were to find animals that demonstrate the conversion of the whale from a land animal to a sea creature, they could all be dismissed as unique unto themselves.
Still, we do have such lineages... The human evoutionary tree is pretty well populated, and you can see the various adapatation and changes over thousands of years. And even today we can seee that creatures closely realted to us like the great apes have a very high correlation to our genome. The farther we go down the evolutionary tree the more similarity we see.
We dont assume two animals thousands of years apart are related, unless we can prove it.

Diference between science and religion is that science demands evidence. Religion neither demands nor presents it, you have to take it on faith.
Nothing is concrete, but I bellieve there is more evidence to support evolution at this point.

But I dont think evoltution is a challenge to religion. I think they can both compliment each other. Its up to the faithful to to come to their own reconciliation.

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I believe in what Allah has revealed and conveyed through the Prophet (S.A.W). You go on believing the fairy tale about humans coming from monkeys or whatever else you think we are descendants of.

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Intelligent Design is nothing but a retarded attempt by Religion to compete with Science.
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The way I see it, science and religion don't necessarily oppose each other. They each have their own place. Science is what we discover and observe. Religion is given by Allah whose knowledge is complete. Science helps us understand what He has created.

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That's fine. I believe what I believe. Seeing a few debates and discussions isn't going to change that.

I've studied biology in college and in university and I'm already familiar with what they say about evolution.

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I think Natural Selection is the fundamental design... much more "Intelligent" than the alleged test-tube engineering.

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LOL... Isn't it funny how God/Allah always reveals the COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE to just one guy on a hill or in a cave or in his dreams?

Evolution is a very well accepted fact by Scientists. I don't see the point of debating it here specially with people who have shut off the logical part of their brain and rant nonstop about how strongly they believe in medieval fiction.

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Not as funny as those who believe their ancestors were monkeys.