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^ yes.. me is married to one such man :D
^ Okay then in this case, you should know, women love those kind of men and do go for them.
I think I should edit my post.... ha ha. I think such men do not try to woo women by saying what they would like to hear, they say what they consider is moral, which may not be appealing to all women. Secondly, there is not a 'one size fits all' criterion for this. Some honest men may not have as much of a leadership charisma which appeals to everybody, but they would still be better than the (partially charismatic) fake men, or the other 'nice men' we just talked about. Not everybody has the stature of Jinnah, Napoleon, Lincoln or whoever else. It is the best among normal people that we're mostly referring to.
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^ Hey, you forgot to mention Obama. :halo:
But yes, you’re right - it’s very hard for women to look beyond lack-of-charisma/confidence zone and into stuff that really matters. I guess it’s exactly like how it’s very hard for men to see beyond an attractive face/body and more into her personality.
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i know what i want :@:
n i agree...'But yes, you're right - it's very hard for women to look beyond lack-of-charisma/confidence zone and into stuff that really matters. I guess it's exactly like how it's very hard for men to see beyond an attractive face/body and more into her personality.'
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Yes, Obama too. He talks very well. I hope he delivers too.
I guess I know what I want too. A nice face/body with a heart of gold. ... err.. I still consider a heart of gold more important.
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@ initiator - gold of how many karats ?? 
initiator what you said about women is quite sad and generally true - many many women today are left broken hearted and disappointed and they dont know where they went wrong. They were too easily fooled by thetricks of the trade`that men have mastered so so well now. :(
I think women need to strenghten themselves emotionally, in general. They need to increase their self-image, self-confidence and worry less about material distractions - so they can 1) Not be so easily fooled by men who make false promises or shower them with material goods and 2) Even if they`re left heartbroken and loney can recover fast and well :)
The truth is women need men to complete them and vice versa. Why do both genders make it extra hard for each other to accomplish security between them - men think they know what women want and women think they know what men want and both act according to their thinking. Mostly its all guess work and what weve seen on TV. This needs to change.
Very wise words. I think that all the time, especially when I am reading Life1 threads.
I like it pure, but I guess anything over 20 karats would do.
I like it pure, but I guess anything over 20 karats would do.
lol...you male or female? Gold for males..nuhuh.... :)
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@initiator…women initiate too 
..dont they… n gold jaiz nahi honda :)…for males…thus ..can i still have your heera?
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Initiator u sound to familiar..
Yes, of course you do. Because you’re not like any other guy, right? :halo: :halo:
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Nazz, if not gold, any other material would do, as long as it's rare, priceless, resilient and has some lusture...
CE, and who's that great soul?
Straight_up, no, I don't define my existence in terms of uniqueness in attitude and views. There are many men who hold similar views. The argument was more of an impersonal advocation of what I thought was right, in practice, however, I may not be that idealistic. :)
P.S. I may retreat later!
your forgot to mention Muhammad Mustafa (saw) :halo:
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some more of what I have seen, strengthened my belief in the argument I was trying to make in this thread. Women would readily go for someone who says just the right words (regardless of how shallow that may be). Share your thoughts!
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^ a smart woman wouldnt take too long to find out whether the guy is a jerk or not..
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/\ Yes, a SMART woman would.
However, it seems to me that this hip-hop generation has a lower attention span than one can possibly imagine. For most women, being entertained, is of considerably more value than honesty of thought, opinion and action. They trade real with fake, put up with it for years, and realize their mistakes years later.
For argument's sake, let's divide men into three categories.
1) Fake Men: The ones who would say anything and everything to * get * a woman. There are different * extents * to which they go, and some would even fake relationships (till and when they are having a good time), and when the time for sacrifice is upon them, they back out.
2) Honest but Uncharismatic Men: They are true with their emotions, love and care genuinely, but lack the ability/charisma to sweep a girl off of her feet. They are the most underprivileged class of men, who despite their efforts, never get beyond a certain level.
3) Honest and Charismatic Men: True leader types. They can make almost any girl fall in love with them, but always maintain a sense of detachment from their partners. They also love genuinely, but being consumed with their beliefs/principles, is always of more importance.
P.S. Most men, in my opinion, have overlapping qualities of each of the above types.
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^ depends on what u define a woman than really.
There is a big difference from being a girl and a woman...
initiator, let me ask you something: why do you think there is a thing called job interviews? People go in there with very similar qualifications and/or experience and only one gets the placement - one beats the other in presentation, verbal ability to engage the employer, etc. This ability to speak and speak well is crucial in life. Now, when it comes to men saying the 'right' things to 'get' women - I now think your theory is flawed. There is no right thing to say. No universal rule that will guarantee a woman! Either your way of communication is compatible with hers or either it's not. I am specifically speaking about instances where the man is as you said 'honest' but does not say 'what women want to hear'. Stop degrading women who prefer one style of communication over another by calling them shallow. I am on my cell otherwise I would have written a better and more straight up response!