Do we ever learn from history?

One of the few politicians of the 1970’s generation left, Asghar Khan has seen and played a part in Pakistani politics from up close…from the time when Muhammad Ali Jinnah convinced him agianst going to Indonesia to fight the Dutch till 1998 when he told Nawaz Sharif not to test Nuclear weapons..he only won one election in his political career (1977) and yet has been actively involved in every election since 1970. He suffered imprisonment under Zia, intimidation under ZAB and the loss of his son in Musharrafs time.

His memoirs have recently been published and I am sure would be an interesting read..

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In book form? Do you know title of the book?

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yup it's name is the title of the thread

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I dont want to name the guppy,but asghar khans nephew a close and a good friend of mine is a guppy.

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^ well tell him to get us all a few copies of the book :stuck_out_tongue: Anyway here is a bit of background on the book and Asghar Khan..his party Tehrik-e-Istiqlal failure at the polls led to some people calling it the curse of naming a political party a “tehrik” ..

Jang
Nowhere is this underscored more than Air Marshal Asghar Khan’s recent book, “We’ve Learnt Nothing From History”, an authentic record of “Pakistan: Politics and Military Power” for the present and future generations of this country. The book underscores the pathetic performance of the leaders of this nation, mostly incapable of rising above themselves for the good of the populace and the country. It also documents the apathy with which the people of this country are afflicted despite being shaken by tumultuous events, each of which would have changed the character of the people of almost all other nations in the world.

I readily confess to being very prejudiced about Air Marshal Asghar Khan, my hero-worship stemming at the beginning from his appointment as the C-n-C of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in 1956 when he was only at 38. The adulation was very natural, I was only one of millions of Pakistani youth who grew up with it. For 10-year olds flying is a dream and pilots assume statures much larger than life. During the war of 1965, PAF rose to great heights and even though PAF’s immediate commander was Air Marshal Nur Khan (and Nur Khan deserves all the praise that he can get for many decisive battle decisions), the killing machine that Nur Khan directed to devastating effect against the Indian Air Force, and in fact the Indian Army on the ground, was honed to perfection by Asghar Khan in his nine years as C-n-C PAF. Today, almost 50 years later, my unstinting admiration for Asghar Khan is not due to the PAF connection alone, but because of his sterling character qualities, his tremendous struggle for democracy and for the rule of law in Pakistan, not to mention the stoic manner in which he has borne not only the rigours and burdens of politics that would have felled ordinary humans but also the tragic and untimely loss of his brilliant son, the outstanding Omar Asghar Khan.

A true rendition of Pakistan’s turbulent political history, this book is very informative – and revealing. Many of the events are common knowledge, what really went on behind the scenes and the input of the various political, military and bureaucrat personalities, good or bad, is not. I may be criticized for not being objective in my assessment, the book will stand up to any acid test of credibility. While a work of literature it is not and was not meant to be, a fair and objective chronicler of facts it certainly is. History is often obscured by what Winston Churchill called “the fog of war”, in fact Pakistan’s history has been muddled by “the fog of politics”. To a great extent the Air Marshal has set the record straight, disabusing as of many myths that have become facts over the years of special interest are the events of 1971 and his almost solo journey through the nightmare of this leadership-made disaster. How many of our leaders stood up and were counted for the atrocities visited on our own countrymen in East Pakistan?

To quote from the introduction of the book, “Asghar Khan is known as a politician with principles. He has stood up to the regimes of Yahya Khan, Ayub Khan and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. From 1972 to 1977 he opposed Mr. Bhutto’s fascist government. He famously led the popular movement against Bhutto, which culminated in his ouster. Following the PNA in 1977, his struggle included the “Movement for the Restoration of Democracy” (MRD) in 1981, the Pakistan Awami Ittehad in 1988 and the Pakistan Democratic Alliance in 1990”. In the words of Asghar Khan himself, “Power for itself was never my goal. The people want to hear the truth and as long as I am able to speak out, I will continue to battle the odds. In the previous elections only a very small percentage of the people of Pakistan voted. This just proves that there is a large majority that recognizes that the leadership in question is not worth the trust that it is seeking. This majority has rejected bribery, corruption and the politics of survival”.

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Zakk,

Asghar Khan though a gentleman was a failed poltician. Sometimes people take profession which is absolutely unfit for them but they keep on trying.

FARID

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^^ The reason he was a failed politican was becasue he spoke his mind. Jimmy Carter was a failed politician as well, becasue he spoke his mind and the lobbyists didnt like it. Samething with AK feudal lords and even portions of his family that are feudal lords didnt like him either.

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^ Two ways to look at it basically being a failure in Pakistani politics can either mean you are a person of integrity or you are someone who is not made out for politics..although I feel sorry for him for what happened to his son..

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^^ Which son are u talking about. The one who committed suicide but really didnt? OR maybe I am talking about someone else from his family.

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Yeah Umer Asghar...good man...

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I read his account in NYtimes and was quite surprised so I called this guppy good friend and he told me the inside scoop as to why it was made to appear that it was a suicide. He had uncovered some interesting discrepencies in the Fauji Foundation Fund, becasue he was incharge of NAB (national accountability beaureau) and you dont NAB the fauji's. That is one of the reasons that Uncle Mushie sort of disbanded the NAB thing. It was a good exercise.

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He was actually in charge of rural development..the head of NAB was a general..

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Zakk, every soldier or airman thinks he is a gift of god to the world. Their egos are size of double decker. If anyone needs to learn, it was him. Pakistani army/air force personnel are disgrace to our country (specially when they muddle in civil affairs). At elast Asghar did not join politics while on active duty, but he could have been a lot more useful by starting some kind of civic movement than venturing into politics. He was an idiot.

:jhanda:

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We all make mistakes, politicians are no different. Asghar Khan can be guilty of making judgemental errors but nobody can accuse him of financial improprietary. Umer Asgher Khan (late) was his son, if anyone wants to emulate a real civil rights, social worker-politician, they need not look anywhere else, Umer Asgher Khan was everything. As they say, apple does'nt fall far from the tree, credit also goes to Asghar Khan and his wife.

His book will certainly be of great interest, hope to read it soon....

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pakistanis hate history because it keeps telling them they are not arabs and are descendants of Hindians. It also tells them, that Islam is a new fangled religion that's been around only for a few centuries which contradics the madrassah claims of forever.

therefore it is impossible for pakistanis to learn from history

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^ totally irrelevant to the thread and an excellent elaboration on your biased views on Pakistanis..

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Sheikh Saab..welll his son Umer Asghar ran SUNGI which was a good movement..I’d agree he was not a smart politician..but he was a clean one..

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Zakk,

When someone enters in politics, he/she has to meet minimum aspirations of people. Just 'Clean' is not enough criteria of being successful politician. Perhaps he was right person for the wrong job.

In Pakistan no politician (Big Ones) ever convicted by courts and suffered punishment including AZ, BN and NS. As such they are still ‘clean’. Even AZ is now focusing on top position.

Perhaps you don't know ZAB was also a clean(not a single corruption case) politician though egocentric. Zia tried his utmost to implicate but could not find any thing against him.

FARID

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^ Farid ..there are many kinds of corruption which can destroy a county..in Pakistans history corruption of power has caused the worst damage. ZAB along with many of the military rulers suffered from that fatal flaw.

I agree with you thought about being the right man for the wrong job..but one cannot discount his role in Pakistans political history.. (along with the rest of the main political leaders of the 1970 generation politicians..)

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He was more like a technocrat.