Yes! Halal meat is any meat that we are allowed to eat i.e. chicken, goat, lamb, etc.
Zabiha and non zabiha refers to the way of slaughtering the animal.
Anyway, I see that in this thread people are confusing zabiha and non zabiha term with halal and non halal term. All these people who are saying they eat non halal outside basically mean they eat non zabiha meat which is basically halal meat to eat (chicken, lamb, beef).
What is the difference between zabiha and non zabiha meat?
Re: Do u eat NON-Halal meat?
I have no clue where this thread came from.
But lets make a few points clear:
- Zabiha meat is islamically slaughtered, there are regulations IN Islam to attest to that...
Note: Meat cut through MACHINERY saying "Allah ho akbar" while pressing the start button, in NO logical way becomes "zabiha-fied".
Unfortunately , most companies in the west have adopted this method (who are non-muslims btw) and muslims have adopted it as well. Many big islamic organizations back this up, and it becomes hard for muslims to eat "halal-zabiha-fied" meat in North America.
That meat is HARAM to consume, people should pay heed to that. It is obvious why, not every chicken/meat is receiving the same type of treatment, slaughter, and most importantly ALLAH's name...the animal has to be sacrificed and cut with ALLAH's name...
- There are lots of HALAL animals to eat, recently I enjoyed a Rabbit, which was zabihad by a friend who has a farm. IT does not mean the Rabbit meat itself is haram, its the process by which it reaches your plate, as mentioned above.
I don't think we need any fatwa because it's clear in the Qur'an..
Hence, eat not of that over which God's name has not been pronounced: for this would be sinful conduct indeed. (Qur'an 6:121) Translation by Muhammad Asad.
I have no clue where this thread came from.
But lets make a few points clear:
- Zabiha meat is islamically slaughtered, there are regulations IN Islam to attest to that...
Note: Meat cut through MACHINERY saying "Allah ho akbar" while pressing the start button, in NO logical way becomes "zabiha-fied".
Unfortunately , most companies in the west have adopted this method (who are non-muslims btw) and muslims have adopted it as well. Many big islamic organizations back this up, and it becomes hard for muslims to eat "halal-zabiha-fied" meat in North America.
That meat is HARAM to consume, people should pay heed to that. It is obvious why, not every chicken/meat is receiving the same type of treatment, slaughter, and most importantly ALLAH's name...the animal has to be sacrificed and cut with ALLAH's name...
- There are lots of HALAL animals to eat, recently I enjoyed a Rabbit, which was zabihad by a friend who has a farm. IT does not mean the Rabbit meat itself is haram, its the process by which it reaches your plate, as mentioned above.
Now what ?
I have no clue where this thread came from.
But lets make a few points clear:
- Zabiha meat is islamically slaughtered, there are regulations IN Islam to attest to that...
Note: Meat cut through MACHINERY saying "Allah ho akbar" while pressing the start button, in NO logical way becomes "zabiha-fied".
Unfortunately , most companies in the west have adopted this method (who are non-muslims btw) and muslims have adopted it as well. Many big islamic organizations back this up, and it becomes hard for muslims to eat "halal-zabiha-fied" meat in North America.
That meat is HARAM to consume, people should pay heed to that. It is obvious why, not every chicken/meat is receiving the same type of treatment, slaughter, and most importantly ALLAH's name...the animal has to be sacrificed and cut with ALLAH's name...
- There are lots of HALAL animals to eat, recently I enjoyed a Rabbit, which was zabihad by a friend who has a farm. IT does not mean the Rabbit meat itself is haram, its the process by which it reaches your plate, as mentioned above.
So non-zabiha meat is not halal and same as KFC and Mcdonald's?
*“He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, And that which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. But he who is driven by necessity, Neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful” (2:173). *
Isn't this what quran says about halal issue. what I get from this is muslims are forbidden to eat meat which is killed on some one elses name...like say some pegan's god name. It doesn't say that you have to eat only the meat which is slaughtered on the name of allah.
OK, maybe its not that simple. I'm wondering about people who live in non-Muslim countries where halal meat is not readily available in all stores.
So in this situation some people say u can eat:
Kosher or Doesn't have to b halal or kosher, just not pig meat. or Nothing other than strictly halal, slaughtered in the Islamic way.
I asked this question bcos i met a new friend recently who told me that when she lived in America she used to eat meat products at fast-food joints and restaurants, bcos she thought it was ok to do so bcos of the lack of halal restaurants. It was common practice amongst Muslims. Now she says she regrets that bcos she doesn't think it is correct and sticks to strictly halal.
From my perspective (based on my UK life experience!), i would say i know only 3 Muslims who do consume non-halal food from supermarkets / restaurants, but all other Muslims I know would not. This may b bcos it there theres always a halal place within reach of them, or bcos of the society, but probably more personal belief.
Personally i wouldn't want to eat anything that i don't think has been slaughtered in the islamic halal manner, but i do wonder that if i was brought up in another culture / community (but same religion), would i still hold with this view?
I see arabs come here and dine at KFC, in my innocent days i was horrified that these newly visiting muslims don't know that the food is haram here, not like their own countries where its all halal. So one day i told one of them, he was like, oh, we know, but we r allowed to eat it bcos if u can't get a halal KFC here, u can eat at a non-halal one.
Erm, this isn't really meant to b in the religion section bcos its more about food.
I've lived my whole life in Canada and Alhamdulillah, i only eat halal meat (I donn't consider it halal if it's not zabiha). I've never had meat at any fast food places. I won't eat kosher either.
Re: Do u eat NON-Halal meat?
I do not even have to worry about halal or haram.
I do not even have to worry about halal or haram.
Why is that ?
Re: Do u eat NON-Halal meat?
What is otherwise not permissible to eat has been made permissible on two counts:
1) That it is zabiha
2) That it is from the acceptable set of animals
The mechanism for making haram meat halal is zabiha, some animals cannot be made halal in any situation such as the ones we know about.
Just look to all the references of the traditions of Ibrahim (AS) ... And modifications at the time of Muhammad (SAW).
If we are to argue purely on a textual basis giving no regard to essence of the message ... then we could just as well ask the question if human meat is haram or not ... I don't think it is present in the Qur'an it may be present in the hadith but I have not seen it there yet.
Re: Do u eat NON-Halal meat?
When my parents moved to Canada 30 years ago.. they used to drive a few hours to America to get halal meat.
point of the story - if you really want to stick to your religion, you can go out of your way.
where there is a will, there is a way.
halal meat is available most everywhere nowadays.
eating at fast food places is something that can be lived without
just my opinion :)
Re: Do u eat NON-Halal meat?
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Of course at home or family makes halal food, I definitely eat it.
So non-zabiha meat is not halal and same as KFC and Mcdonald's?
Not entirely, You can eat slaughtered animals from people of the book. However, good luck trying to find a christian or a jewish owned abbatoir or slaugher house these days.
I've worked in the meat industry, and this is something which does not exist anymore like it used to in the time of the Prophet pbuh.
If you do happen to find a jewish for example farm, good luck tyring to purchase it as kosher is twice as expensive as halal meat.
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am I correct in understanding that the 'bismillah parho aur halal ho gaya' is a position of the maliki school, and that is why a lot of north africans dont have a problem with zabiha/halal or less of a problem?
i always advocated my sunni friends to go for it (not as a joke) based on this.
am I correct in understanding that the 'bismillah parho aur halal ho gaya' is a position of the maliki school, and that is why a lot of north africans dont have a problem with zabiha/halal or less of a problem?
i always advocated my sunni friends to go for it (not as a joke) based on this.
I think thats taken out of a certain context, I dont believe its as clear cut as that.
I personally have never read that anywhere. I thought it was made up by modern pakistanis.
Not all problems in the world are caused by modern pakistanies yar. save some for the jews.
The maliki fiqh is definitely a bit looser than the other schools of thought (sunni or shia), and north africans (i.e. those from the maghreb) are usually maliki as far as I know.
while i cant find a reference for ‘bismillah parh lo’ (which is based on the hadis in malik’s muwatta) the objection to this is the verse in the Quran that forbids eating anything that has other than the name of Allah pronounced on it. If anything (or nothing) else is said, that according to other schools of thought makes the food haram. Not so for malikies:
[One Ummah] - Halal and Zabiha Meat](http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00012.html)
Assalaamualikum,
Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Allah the Almighty is pure and accepts only that which is pure. Allah has commanded the faithful to do that which he commanded the Messengers, and the Almighty has said: “O Messengers! Eat of the pure things and do right”. And Allah the Almighty has said: “O you who believe! Eat of the pure things We have provided you.” Then he (Allah bless him & give him peace) mentioned (the case of) a man who, having journeyed far, is dishevelled and dusty and who spreads out his hands to the heavens (saying): “O Lord! O Lord!” —while his food is unlawful, his drink unlawful, his clothing unlawful, and he is nourished unlawfully, so how can he be answered!”
(Sahih Muslim Book 7, Number 2668)
S'ad RA relates: Allah's messenger PBUH said “O S'ad purify your food (and as a result) you will become one who's supplications are accepted. I swear by He in whose hands the soul of Muhammad PBUH lies, verily a servant (of Allah) tosses a Haram morsel in his stomach (due to which) no deed is accepted from him for 40 days” (Tabarani)
Abu Hurayrah (RA) reports that the Prophet of Allah (PBUH) said, “a time will come upon the people wherein a man will not bother what he intakes; whether from Halal source or Haram.” (Bukhari)
The meaning of the Hadith that if someone consumes even a single morsel of Haraam food, then his ‘Ibaadat (worship) will not be accepted for a period of 40 days is not that his ‘Ibaadat such as Salaah, fasting, Zakaat, etc will not be fulfilled but that it will be deprived of the Noor (light), Barakaat (blessings) and complete reward will not be attained for these act of ‘Ibaadat. We should not have this misconception that if our ‘Ibaadat is not accepted then we do not have to perform any ‘Ibaadat and that what is the use of us performing ‘Ibaadat. The actual purpose of this Hadith is to encourage us to abstain from Haraam so that we may attain full reward, Noor and Barakaat for our ‘Ibaadat. We can only attain closeness to Allah Ta’ala when ‘Ibaadat is fulfilled exactly as it should be done. (Mishkaat, Page 243)
check: halalmc. co. uk in the resources section. Sorry I can't post the Url yet
I have seen 'halal' written on packets of pork here in Hong Kong!
whaaaaaaaaaattttttttt?????:(
Re: Do u eat NON-Halal meat?
One of my Jewish friends was telling me that there are certain animal parts they arent allowed to eat so this Kosher meat they can't use is sold cheap to Muslim shops in London who then pass it off as Halal...
I've never eaten pork but I do eat non-Halal tho not at home anymore and more out of laziness + habit than anything else, we were brought up on haram burgers and such till my Mum became more religious when I was in my teens.