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True that. It is always sad to see people peddling hatred and false equivalences that make absolutely no sense. How difficult is it to understand that unlike bestiality or pedophilia, homosexuality entails consent and involves two adults who actually harm nobody? It's hardly rocket science. A person may not agree with homosexuality as a practice but it's nothing short of bigotry to compare homosexuality with something as perverted as pedophilia, or to denigrate gays or lesbians.

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interesting that you think lesbians have anal sex. after all they are half teh homosexuals you hate so much.

also interesting you dont think heterosexuals have anal sex.

surprising no. it is you after all.

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Well said. Where is the outrage from the community against such despicable attempts to tarnish human beings? Silence in the face of such conduct is disappointing. It is not philosophy or spirituality. In fact, it's not cricket.

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i am ready, shoot

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There is another thing that can be said about homosexuality ... Homosexuality betrays the evolutionary concept of "survival of the fittest" ... By resigning to such orientation what happens is that such people will not be reproducing and hence will not be preserving their genetic information.

Also, if we look to the acts that religion (in general) traditionally advocates is that they serve a greater purpose ... Usually those acts that serve no greater purpose than self-satisfaction and pleasure you will see are given negative moral points ... however, things like a heterosexual marriage would typically be encouraged by religion because it would serve ends that go beyond selfish pleasure.

Animals that do things purely for pleasure are dogs, monkeys, pigs if we follow their example as being natural then we are resigning our better judgment to be in accordance with such creatures. Humans should rise to greater heights. If one wants to believe in evolution - then one must also conclude that evolution has walked us in to a dead end by making homosexuals out of some of the humans ... those humans will cease to propagate. Alternatively, one can also conclude that evolution has a built in mechanism of getting rid of unwanted material and homosexuals would die off leaving the heterosexually produced generation to take the reigns - that is if one can say that homosexuality is transmittable through the genetic code ... It is almost as if homosexuals are being sexually breed out. So they will never become common or in the majority.

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Evolution of Homosexuality is still a mystery. Call it a disorder, anomaly, or whatever. It is still natural and just as heterosexuals cannot forever silence their sexual urges neither can homosexuals. Besides, homosexuality is a non-adaptive behavior, therefore, it neither benefits humans nor harms us.

This is an interesting article: Male Homosexuality Study: Gay Men Have Evolutionary Benefit For Their Families, New Research Suggests

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not true. genetic material isnt only shared between parents and offspring. it is shared amongst blood relatives. if a behavior pattern helps the survival of a closely related community, it will be retained even if said person has no direct offspring but has siblings/cousins etc. who produce offspring.

At a larger scale, it does harm us. It’s a hindrance to natural reproduction system. The only reason homosexual family setup is surviving is because some heterosexual couple produced a baby for a homosexual couple to adopt. If whole society turns homosexual then humans would cease to exist within one hundred years. That proves right there that it’s unnatural and harmful.

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How would genes know that siblings have been born?
Perhaps we can test that theory … No homosexuals should be present in lone child families …
:nahi:

No end of faith in evolution here …

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Natural tendencies is no excuse for pedophiles and and those who do bestiality and necrophilia. These inner voices are not all supposed to be justified under the banner of ‘natural’.

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Something can be called unnatural in the sense that it betrays the order of nature ... Or it can be called natural in the sense that it is biological. Sometimes a certain thing ... For example homosexuality can be both unnatural and natural at the same time. It is indeed biologically demonstrable that certain individuals of various creatures exhibit homosexuality ... But. It can also be shown these are not dominant in any living species and it can be shown that such behaviour is not beneficial as far as the species is concerned hence it is unnatural as well.

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how do you show it is not beneficial? :confused:

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By looking at how

a) contributes to society - knowledge, technology
b) contributes to the next generation - knowledge and health
c) it optimises the sustainability of the race
d) it brings benefit to other creatures

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you just made the case for homosexuals being beneficial. they contribute to society, contribute to the next generation, and bring benefit to others.

but a couple of general trends -

  1. including "brings benefit" as a requirement for "beneficial" - there is that circular logic again.

  2. optimizes sustainability of the race - this sounds like you are making a case to kill off all the disabled and old people. the coldbloodedness of your "logic" to discredit humanity isnt apparent when seen with the eyes of a homo-hater though.

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What part of non-adaptive behavior don't you get? Look it up maybe...?

My emphasis was on harmless part that you mentioned

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You are really not going to argue that, are you? Pedophilia and all others Phelias in the world can be natural and not justifiable as long as another human being is getting harmed while acting out their tendencies. Some say serial killers are born killers, they can't help themselves. This doesn't mean we should let them kill. Homosexuality involves consenting adults. No harm is done to either one.

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Are there more gays or
people with fertility problems in this world?

Anybody got stats??

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nonadaptive behaviors will never outnumber the adaptive ones because it is by definition dysfunctional and hence abnormal. Natural selection favors adaptive behaviors over nonadaptive so I highly doubt homosexuals will ever take over the world. Besides, studies and research are being carried out to figure out whether or not homosexuality is beneficial to humans. A research such as the one I posted shows how it benefits families.

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question for those who are against homosexuality for reproductive reasons:

please answer

what if the whole society starts using birth control?
there are plenty of straight people who choose not to have children. should birth control also be considered unnatural then?

*using this 'reproductive hindrance' logic, birth control and sterility procedures should be banned because WHAT IF everyone uses it?
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will a day come when everyone wants to use birth control and never have babies? NO
wil a day come when everyone is homosexual? no.

lets not get into hypothetical scenarios of "what if" when they have no logical basis. there have been homosexuals since the early humans on Earth and they have always been a small minority and will always be that way.
and the way heterosexuals are reproducing, we are far far from having an 'underpopulation'. if anything, homosexuals are benefiting this over populated planet.