Do Muslims keep pet dogs?

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This is what I found interesting in the link quoted above:

To let you know, **not all scholars regard dogs as impure. For instance, the Malikite Jurists maintain that the dog is pure, even its saliva, and this is the predominant opinion. So, it is not obligatory to wash the body or the clothes, but one must still wash a bowl that touched or licked by dog. **The Hanafite Juristic School and some of Hanbali Jurists say that it’s only dog’s saliva that’s filthy and impure, but its body is not.

PakistaniAbroad: It appears my initial line of thinking that if one is allowed to eat a prey caught by a hunting dog the animal can't be that 'impure' had some merits.. and the best part is I didn't have to be a Malikite to understand that.. I just approached it raitonally.. maybe some others in this discussion can do the same.

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *

Is that really true ?? Can someone enlighten us please ?
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Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 9:
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 486:
Narrated 'Aisha:

Do you make us (women) equal to dogs and donkeys? While I used to lie in my bed, the Prophet would come and pray facing the middle of the bed. I used to consider it not good to stand in front of him in his prayers. So I used to slip away slowly and quietly from the foot of the bed till I got out of my guilt.

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SalmanNY.. here's the moment of truth.. what do you understand from the hadith you copy pasted.. come on now.. wouldn' you enlighten us?

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Salman, I think the context of this hadith is entirely different. It is related to not coming in between a person and a Qibla while he is praying.

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*Originally posted by SalmanNY: *

**Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 9:
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 486:
Narrated 'Aisha:

Do you make us (women) equal to dogs and donkeys? While I used to lie in my bed, the Prophet would come and pray facing the middle of the bed. I used to consider it not good to stand in front of him in his prayers. So I used to slip away slowly and quietly from the foot of the bed till I got out of my guilt. **
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no ramyss.. please.. let him respond.. he's too loud for his own good.. let' see him explain the hadith to us .. he has used it in the context of defending this statement of his:

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6-Religious traditions hold that if a dog - or woman - passes in front of you as you prepare to pray, it pollutes your purity and negates your prayer.
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As Muslims we consider dogs and their saliva to be impure and filthy.

Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wassallam) said:

“Whoever keeps a dog, his reward for good deeds will decrease by one qeeraat every day, except dogs used for farming or herding livestock.”(Bukhari)

"Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)." (Bukhari)

“If a dog drinks from the vessel of any one of you, let him wash it seven times” (Muslim)

That does not mean that just because we are not allowed to keep dogs as pets or because they are filthy we are to be cruel to them because the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wassallam) said:

“A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that." (Bukhari)

“A man saw a dog biting the dust because of thirst, so he took his shoe and started to scoop water up with it until the dogs thirst was quenched, Allah appreciated his good deed and granted him entry to Paradise for it” (Bukhari)

Allah's Apostle (sallallaho alaihe wassallam) said, "A woman was tortured and was put in Hell because of a cat which she had kept locked till it died of hunger." Allah's Apostle (sallallaho alaihe wassallam) further said, "(Allah knows better) Allah said (to the woman), 'You neither fed it nor watered when you locked it up, nor did you set it free to eat the insects of the earth.' " (Bukhari)

Dog’s that are pure black in colour however should be “put to sleep” or ”put down”. The Messenger of Allah (sallallaho alaihe wassallam) said:

"Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat, the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog." (Bukhari)

"Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one." (Muslim)

PS. The intellect of man is limited and as such, he will not always be able to comprehend the wisdom of divine law. Sometimes, man is unable to understand the logics of Shari’ah law.

He is obliged to accept it whether it appeals to his intellect or not.

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Is indeed quoted from "Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 9: under the heading of "Virtues of the Prayer Hall (Sutra of the Musalla) ".. The link is below rite here . If you want i can go to www.ask-imam.com and ask the respective scholar. But its clear to understand IMO what is said in the tafseer of Sahih Bukhari. i.e as per narrated by hazarat Aaisha r.a
** "Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490:
Narrated 'Aisha:

The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.”**..

I guess you guys didnt read the whole tafseer even when i quoted the verses where it was taken from
Peace.
-Salman

i Hope translation of Hazarat Aisha r.a. must be quite clear to you guys.

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It's very clear to us what this means.. there are grave doubts that you even understood what it meant before you were challenged.. you are on record quoting this hadith to support your earlier statement of:

" if a dog - or woman - passes in front of you as you prepare to pray, it pollutes your purity and negates your prayer."

How do you explain that?

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*Originally posted by Dhulfiqar: *
The intellect of man is limited and as such, he will not always be able to comprehend the wisdom of divine law. Sometimes, man is unable to understand the logics of Shari’ah law.

He is obliged to accept it whether it appeals to his intellect or not.
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You have no intellect to appeal to if you believe God wants us to kill black dogs. Dogs have been men's best friend for over 15,000 years. It is a shame that people mistake a cultural phenonomen of 7th century Arabia as justification to deny the warmth, companionship, loyalty and happiness that a pet dog can bring in to one's life.

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
It's very clear to us what this means.. there are grave doubts that you even understood what it meant before you were challenged.. you are on record quoting this hadith to support your earlier statement of:

" if a dog - or woman - passes in front of you as you prepare to pray, it pollutes your purity and negates your prayer."

How do you explain that?
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As a woman perhaps I might understand how men might come to blame women for disrupting ones prayers, but am of the thinking that if prayers were disrupted, one wasn't giving complete concentration to praying to begin with.

What I can't understand is how a woman might be compared with dogs, as it is men that are usually considered doggish by women ;)

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
It's very clear to us what this means.. there are grave doubts that you even understood what it meant before you were challenged.. you are on record quoting this hadith to support your earlier statement of:

" if a dog - or woman - passes in front of you as you prepare to pray, it pollutes your purity and negates your prayer."

How do you explain that?
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PA, I dont have any compelling reason why i should even address your 'grave doubts' . I dont know how to tell you that i just explained my self for
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" if a dog - or woman - passes in front of you as you prepare to pray, it pollutes your purity and negates your prayer."
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... quoting from sahi bukharee.... what othe explaination you need from me ? Isnt sahi bukharee enough of an explaination for you ? And as far as me understanding of what i should be understanding leave that upto me.

So, if you have need other explaination for " if a dog - or woman - passes in front of you as you prepare to pray, it pollutes your purity and negates your prayer.". besides sahi bukharee let me know because my answer will be " accept it or leave it ".
-Salman

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The teachings of the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wassallam) are not influenced by 7th century Arabian culture, they are divinely inspired and are very dear to the hearts of millions of Muslims. :slight_smile:

We Muslims don’t need dogs for warmth, companionship, loyalty and happiness. We have our friends, family and close-knit Muslim community for that. :hug:

People even kiss them, let them lick you and your clothes, sleep with them. Man that’s nasty. :yukh:

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If these hadiths are not influenced by 7th century Arabian culture, why are only animals found in that area mentioned as the mischif makers? Of course these things are based on the culture of the time. Your insults and jokes regarding western culture are no better tan the kufaar making jokes about Arabs wiping themselves with their hands. Or how funny it is to think it matters to God which direction you face when relieving yourself. The list is long, so let’s not laugh at each other’s customs. Question them, that’s ok. You have a valid point about people putting the elderly in homes. But we could laugh at each other’s seemingly ridiculous customs and get nowhere.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
If these hadiths are not influenced by 7th century Arabian culture, why are only animals found in that area mentioned as the mischif makers? Of course these things are based on the culture of the time. Your insults and jokes regarding western culture are no better tan the kufaar making jokes about Arabs wiping themselves with their hands. Or how funny it is to think it matters to God which direction you face when relieving yourself. The list is long, so let's not laugh at each other's customs. Question them, that's ok. You have a valid point about people putting the elderly in homes. But we could laugh at each other's seemingly ridiculous customs and get nowhere.
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You are so very right about what you just said, then just lets stick to that.

Your first post is TOTALLY contradicting your self by saying this
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It is a shame that people mistake a cultural phenomenon of 7th century Arabia as justification to deny the warmth, companionship, loyalty and happiness that a pet dog can bring in to one's life.
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. For you it might be just a cultural phenomenon, but for us Muslims its holds A LOT more than that.
Having said that, you are the first coming here, disrespecting other people beliefs.
-Salman

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Salman, you were correct. It is relavent, JazakAllah for posting it.

FYI, PA does not beleive in Sunnah or Hadith! So, there is no use arguing with him. PA, I would recomment you to refer to the following verse of Holy Quran, where Allah is addressing the Holy Prophet :saw::

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YUSUFALI: Say: “If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Dogs have been men's best friend for over 15,000 years. It is a shame that people mistake a cultural phenonomen of 7th century Arabia as justification to deny the warmth, companionship, loyalty and happiness that a pet dog can bring in to one's life.
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Did you watch the part in the movie Titanic in which they ask a woman to choose between her dog and her husband to be in a rescue boat with her and she choose her dog over her husband ? :D

Dogs drink from toilet and when you kiss dogs you are kissing the toilet. And yes a dog is a man's best friend, but the problem with your culture is that to goras dogs are more important then humans. In white families the children leave their parents when they are 18 years of age and hence parents have nothing else , no family, no children, but have only dogs to be companions with.

We don't need dogs, we have our friends, our parents and our family our community to have companionship with.

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:dhimpak:

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Thank You a bunch. as for PA, You didnt have to tell me that he doesnt believe in Hadith. Besides that Allah s.w.t knows better.
-Salman

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*Originally posted by SalmanNY: *
You are so very right about what you just said, then just lets stick to that.

Your first post is TOTALLY contradicting your self by saying this . For you it might be just a cultural phenomenon, but for us Muslims its holds A LOT more than that.

Having said that, you are the first coming here, disrespecting other people beliefs.
-Salman
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Actually Junior, I've been posting here for a year and 1/2 and have had more than my share of people disrespecting my beliefs. I'm sorry if you find it disrespectful for someone to point out the fact that most hadiths are based on the culture of the time and place. Find me a hadith that speaks of how one spends a long winter night in the tundra. Why does it not talk about washing your hands in the snow instead of with sand? Sand does not exist everywhere man exits. Matter of fact, it doesn't exist in most places man lives.

Loving dogs is not mutually exclusive to having healthy, loving relationships with humans. Muslims do not own the market on companionship with friends, parents, family and community.

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*Originally posted by Pak Brave Heart: *

Did you watch the part in the movie Titanic in which they ask a woman to choose between her dog and her husband to be in a rescue boat with her and she choose her dog over her husband ? :D

Dogs drink from toilet and when you kiss dogs you are kissing the toilet. And yes a dog is a man's best friend, but the problem with your culture is that to goras dogs are more important then humans. In white families the children leave their parents when they are 18 years of age and hence parents have nothing else , no family, no children, but have only dogs to be companions with.

We don't need dogs, we have our friends, our parents and our family our community to have companionship with.
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And by the movie Titanic you learned that * To Goras dogs are more important than family? *

So...pretend I am on the Titanic and that sinse I am Kaffir and a Gora you really think I would let my children and family die of drowning to save the life of my dog?

Have to admit I am offended by your post.

Do you think I would let my children die of hunger to save the life of my dog?