Do gays deserve the same rights and access to benefits as the straights?

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Re: Do gays deserve the same rights and access to benefits as the straights?

@TLK

Because religion has kicked in to this thread, I cannot stay away as I am the Mufti-e-Azam of GS (ok that was a joke). Couple of things that I want to remind you about Nation Of Lot, as mentioned in Quran.

They were performing homosexuality as a choice. Though only men were involved, but women were in full support. 1) Lot’s wife ran to the men of the town to tell them about the good looking male guest that were staying at her house. 2) When the Azaab came, everyone including women got the punishment. These two points fully support my argument that the homosexuality was a choice and a hobby for the men, as women were equally involved in that “sport”. Of course if its done out of choice, there is no argument that being an unnatural act, it would be prohibited and counted as a major sin in all the religions.

But now, more and more medical researchers belief that homosexuality is not just a choice, but in fact a psychological disorder. I am gong to cut and paste from a pamphlet of American Psychological Association

“According to current scientific and professional understanding, the core attractions that form the basis for adult sexual orientation typically emerge between middle childhood and early adolescence. These patterns of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction may arise without any prior sexual experience. **People can be celibate and still know their sexual orientation-–be it lesbian, gay, bisexual, or heterosexual.”

**Now let me ask all my religious brothers and sisters who are quoting the Hadees of prophet regarding killing both parties who are involved in homosexuality. Will you kill a man who, while born handicap, and out of no choice, committed a “crime”. May I remind you of a Hadees where a handicap Sahabi got involved in adultery. Prophet ordered him to be lashed 80 times, but by using a soft branch of a tree.

The problem with Ahaadees is that often they are used, and quoted out of context. That is why 90 out of 100 times, when you see a clash in Science and Islam, the clash is actually between Science and Hadees, and hardly between Science and Quran.

I am not trying to create a new religion. All I am saying is that when we know that Homosexuality could be state of mind, then why do we act so rigidly to impose shariah on each and every homosexual without using common sense.

And Mullah police, please keep the batons low on me. I have a roza.

TLK Bhai, When we refer such research, do we want to say that when Quran was revealing, God didn’t know his creation and the research points that are discovered later? But thats a totally different topic in itself.

Leave it and punishment aspect (which we are not talking here, they were brought when asked for condemnation of act by the Prophet), when an act has been pronounced sin, then whether its by choice or by some disability, is there anything bad when we don’t support its mass recognition and it shows intolerance on religious people’s part?

jab hamara apna koi beemar hota hai to do we think about his / her treatment or say ‘jao maro, bhugto iss beemari ko’? When we consider it a disorder (you referred a hadees of a handicap person), then we should pray for their shifa and not encourage by saying ‘its your born right. do whatever you do..’