These are the three words that any muslim woman can hear in her lifetime, to end her marriage.
Is it really that simple ?
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I will make it simple, for you go to www.islambasics.com, and look out for ibn Kathir tafsir volume 10 in abridged from, and read Chapter 65, Surah Talaq.
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onou chhad, jaddon mein tenu sawaal kitta tan tu menu dassya nahin:confused:
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Simple? 
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I hate this word and i will never use these words for my wife cuz i love my wife.
She loves me too.
Diavorce is very very bad word.
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Diavorce is very very bad word.
IT IS DIVORCE MY FRIEND
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It is always announced against wife when both the parties do not follow the Hadood Allah. This is the best way for the separation of each other. Islam has recognized this principle which is a golden principle for the humenbeings. Shirazi
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Salam Shirazi,
can you please shed some light on your understandings?
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I think there is way more to it than the three words. There have to be conditions that need to be met before that takes place. Saying the three words is just a ritual. We, as muslims, have assigned meaning to it, otherwise there is really nothing in saying a word three times. I mean, like...
GS shut down, GS shut down, GS shut down.
....
Darn, its still working.
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To the best of my knowledge, I believe 3 divorces in one instance is looked down upon and I believe some scholars count 3 divorces in one instance as being said a single time.
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PCG...thats the point...all there is to it is three words...
Sadiyah
From what i gather every scholar sees it as acceptable as a process...as in it is a divorce...but they differ on whether doing it is a sin...
Abu Hanifa says that you are divorced once you say it...but you are sinful if you do it...
Shafi and Malik differ in that they believe you arent sinful if you do it...
Hanbali however believes it to be just one divorce meaning you can remarry her...Hadrat Ali also followed this during his Khaleefah...
There are those outside the four schools of thought who do feel it is invalid as a divorce...
Shias see it as a bidah which i find weird cos Ali believed in it...
But as a general point all four school of thought see it as legislation...hnbali sees it as one divorce...Hanafis which most Pakis are see it as sin and shias say it is sinful and doesnt even constitute a divorce...
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There’s a difference of opinion on this issue as pointed out earlier. Muhammad salAllahualaihiwasallam considered three or more divorces at once to be counted as one divorce and it was Umar radiAllahuanhu in the latter part of his Khilafah said that three divorces at once will be counted as three divorces.
You can read about that here.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=36580&ln=eng
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There needs to be a month of living together after the first divorce is uttered, if the couple do not make up during that period of counceling, then the second divorce is uttered, followed by another month of cohabitation and counceling, and by then if there is no meeting of the minds or the bodies, the third and final divorce is uttered.
Most Men take short cuts. not good, but then again I am no scholar.
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Actually in this case not what the Prophet taught but what Hazrat Umar initiated as opposed to what the Prophet taught. The Prophet did not teach uttering them together.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=3883810&postcount=6
That was an interesting thread.
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Now we will get right from the Quran,
Surah Talaq, Chapter Divorce - Just 12 verses
Bimillaah Irahaman nirahim
1. O Prophet! When you divorce women, divorce them at their Iddah and count theirIddah. And have Taqwa of Allah, your Lord. And turn them not out of their homes nor shall they leave, except in case they are guilty of Fahishah Mubayyinah. And those are the set limits of Allah. And whosoever transgresses the set limits of Allah, then indeed he has wronged himself. You know not, it may be that Allah will afterward bring some new thing to pass
Now the explanation
The Prophet was addressed first in this Ayah, to honor him, even though his Ummah is also being addressed in Allah's statement,
(O Prophet! When you divorce women, divorce them at their `Iddah) Al-Bukhari recorded that Abdullah binUmar divorced his wife, during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger , while she was menstruating. `Umar bin Al-Khattab mentioned that to Allah's Messenger . Allah's Messenger became angry and said,
(Order him to take her back and keep her until she is clean from her menses, and then to wait until she gets her next period and becomes clean again. Then, if he wishes to divorce her, he can divorce her when she is clean from her menses, before he has sexual intercourse with her. This is the `Iddah which Allah the Exalted and Most Honored has fixed.) Al-Bukhari recorded this Hadith in several parts of his Sahih. Muslim collected this Hadith and his narration uses these words,
(This is the `Iddah which Allah has fixed for the women being divorced.) In his Sahih, Muslim has recorded a Hadith which is a more appropriate version from a narration of Ibn Jurayj who said that Abu Az-Zubayr informed him that he heard Abdur-Rahman bin Ayman, the freed slave ofAzzah, questioning Abdullah binUmar. And Abu Az-Zubayr heard the question, "What about a man who divorces his wife while she is still on her menses'' Abdullah answered, "During the time of Allah's Messenger ,Abdullah bin `Umar divorced his wife who was menstruating in the life time of Allah's Messenger . So Allah's Messenger said:
(Let him take her back.) so she returned and he said:
(When she is pure, then either divorce or keep her.) Abdullah binUmar said, "Allah's Messenger recited this Ayah: (ياأَيُّها النَّبِيُّ إِذا طَلَّقْتُمُ النِّساءَ فَطَلِّقُوهُنَّ فِي قُبُلِ عِدَّتِهِنَّ) (O Prophet! When you divorce women, divorce them at their Iddah) AndAbdullah (Ibn Mas`ud) commented on Allah's statement,
(divorce them at their `Iddah) He said, "Purity without intercourse.'' Similar was reported from Ibn Umar,Ata', Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Ibn Sirin, Qatadah, Maymun bin Mihran and Muqatil bin Hayyan. It is also reported from Ikrimah and Ad-Dahhak.Ali bin Abi Talhah reported from Ibn `Abbas about the Ayah;
(divorce them at their `Iddah), "He does not divorce her while she is on her menses nor while she is pure if he has had intercourse during that (purity). Rather, he leaves her until she has her menses and after the menses ends, then he divorces her once.'' And `Ikrimah said about
(divorce them at their Iddah), "TheIddah is made up of clean- liness and the menstrual period.'' So he divorces her while it is clear that she is pregnant, or he does not due to having sex, or since he does not know if she is pregnant or not. This is why the scholars said that there are two types of divorce, one that conforms to the Sunnah and another innovated. The divorce that conforms to the Sunnah is one where the husband pronounces one divorce to his wife when she is not having her menses and without having had sexual intercourse with her after the menses ended. One could divorce his wife when it is clear that she is pregnant. As for the innovated divorce, it occurs when one divorces his wife when she is having her menses, or after the menses ends, has sexual intercourse with her and then divorces her, even though he does not know if she became pregnant or not. There is a third type of divorce, which is neither a Sunnah nor an innovation where one divorces a young wife who has not begun to have menses, the wife who is beyond the age of having menses, and divorcing one's wife before the marriage was consummated. Allah said,
(and count their `Iddah.) meaning, count for it and know its beginning and end, so that the `Iddah does not become prolonged for the woman and she cannot get married again,
(And have Taqwa of Allah, your Lord.) in this matter.
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Salam yo_wasim,
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Now we will get right from the Quran,
Surah Talaq, Chapter Divorce - Just 12 verses
Bimillaah Irahaman nirahim
- O Prophet! When you divorce women, divorce them at their
Iddah and count theirIddah. And have Taqwa of Allah, your Lord. And turn them not out of their homes nor shall they leave, except in case they are guilty of Fahishah Mubayyinah. And those are the set limits of Allah. And whosoever transgresses the set limits of Allah, then indeed he has wronged himself. You know not, it may be that Allah will afterward bring some new thing to pass [/QUOTE]
Let me add few other translations only to make easier for readers who doesnt understand arabic.
**Transliteration: Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu itha tallaqtumu alnnisaa fatalliqoohunna liAAiddatihinna waahsoo alAAiddata waittaqoo Allaha rabbakum la tukhrijoohunna min buyootihinna wala yakhrujna illa an ya/teena bifahishatin mubayyinatin watilka hudoodu Allahi waman yataAAadda hudooda Allahi faqad thalama nafsahu la tadree laAAalla Allaha yuhdithu baAAda thalika amran
Literal: You, you the prophet, if you divorced the women, so divorce them (F) to their term (F), and count/calculate the menstrual cycle/term and fear and obey God, your Lord, do not bring them out from their (F) houses/homes, and they (F) do not get out except that they do/commit with an evident enormous/atrocious deed , and those are God's limits/boundaries/orders, and who transgresses/violates God's limits/boundaries/orders, so he had caused injustice/oppression (to) his self, you do not know, maybe/perhaps God initiates/causes after that a matter/affair (event).
Yusuf Ali: O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods: And fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah: and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation.
Pickthal: O Prophet! When ye (men) put away women, put them away for their (legal) period and reckon the period, and keep your duty to Allah, your Lord. Expel them not from their houses nor let them go forth unless they commit open immorality. Such are the limits (imposed by) Allah; and whoso transgresseth Allah's limits, he verily wrongeth his soul. Thou knowest not: it may be that Allah will afterward bring some new thing to pass.**
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Now the explanation
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I will revert soon.
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There are many opinions among many scholars divorce and whether or not uttering those words three times in succession fulfills the requirement for a divorce.
Imam Abu Hanifa (whom I agree with on all matters) is of the opinion that saying those words three times in succession are enough to terminate a marraige with no hope for reconcilement until the woman abrogates from another man's nikkah. But does this mean that, literally, she can marry today and get divroced tomrorow just so she can again enter into a nikah with the first man? Of the opinions I've read most agree that she hs had to have sexual relations with the second man before divorce can occur and re-nikkah can materialize.
While that is the opinion of the Hanafis, other Imams believe that declaring divorce three times in a series will only result in one divorce with chance for reconcilement with the man without having to consumate a nikkah with another, as oppose to hanafis who will count it as a FULL divorce.
Allah hu Alim.
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It is a simple matter of whether one gives precedence to what used to happen in the Prophet's time, or what a later Caliph or ulema introduced going against the sunnah of the Prophet.
And as far as differnece of opinion, is it not a hugely questionable and urgent bida to resolve one way or the other? If they follow the wrong school of thought they end of living in sin for the rest of their lives.
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*Moderatrors ! please remove off-topic posts. Thanks *
Truthfinder :
Uttering the word talaq three time in one sitting, while intending to divorce one'e wife, is a clear cut blasphemy. It is a blasphemy of Holy quran, just like throwing quran in dustbin. I believe a person who does this in Pakistan should be put behind bars and tried under blashphemy law. I deduce that from the ayaat of holy quran and Sahi hadees.
The Islamic way of divorce is explained in detail in Sura Baqra (chap 2) and Sura Talaq ( don't know the chapter number). There is no other way of giving divorce ' talaq ' (from Husband to wife ) in Islam. Wife can demand separation, It is called khula and it is also mentioned in quran. Please read it, It is self- explainatory.
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I've tried to clean up the thread to the best of my ability. I hope we can all stick to the topic.