Re: Divorced, Divorced, Divorved
Sadiyah: My points were right on the topic. I guess what difference do three word make according to PCG is what you think too....
Divorce is saying it three times and that's that... If one can not read Quran to figure that out and she/he can "only" think of what it could be and make their own Islam then I am sorry I will always object against them to call it Islam. Give it any name for all I care but not Islam.
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AQ, feel free to attribute whatever it is about my beliefs that you wish. I know myself better and I know what I follow better than you and foremost Allah (SWT) knows best.
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then you should be more considerate about the wrong being propagated in the name of Islam by "I-think-this-is-islam-group" besides the power you have over here
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AQ, I'm sure you could've used a slightly better example to get the point across. The thread had started to turn into lets bash PCG and lets bash those against PCG.
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that was the best example… even you felt the ‘power of three lines’ but then again… point being made and PLUS jiss kee laaThi uss kee bheNs…
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I'd rather take this up via PM than to further derail this thread.
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Hello people,
I will not critisize any persons view or belief but I must say, this is one of the important subject which concerns all muslims. Anyone insterested should seriously participate.
Anyway reason for bringing up this topic is it concerns me. My parents got divorced after 22yrs of marriage, devastating our lifes, it happend in angerness they both tried after 2 weeks if it could be reversed, the answer was NO., my father died within 6months because he couldnt live alone. Our mother lived a hard
life growing 3kids. Well its over 19yrs now since this happend but whenever I think over it, it really shakes me.
As we can see there are different views on the topic complete or incomplete, correct or incorrect. How can anyone judge if Sherafghan's view is correct or fallenpieta's view is correct.
Here are some verses from the Quran which will help us finding truth.
**2:226. For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four months is ordained; if then they return, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:227. But if their intention is firm for divorce, Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
2:228. Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
2:229. A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold Together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (Men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah. If ye
(judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by Allah. so do not transgress them if any do transgress the limits ordained by Allah, such persons wrong (Themselves as well as others).
2:230. So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand.
2:231. When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage; if any one does that; He wrongs his own soul. Do not treat Allah.s Signs as a jest, but solemnly rehearse Allah.s favours on you, and the fact that He sent down to you the
Book and Wisdom, for your instruction. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is well acquainted with all things.
2:232 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.
33:49 O ye who believe! When ye marry believing women, and then divorce them before ye have touched them, no period of 'Iddat have ye to count in respect of them: so give them a present. And set them free in a handsome manner.
65:1 O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods: And fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah. and
any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation.
65:2 Thus when they fulfil their term appointed, either take them back on equitable terms or part with them on equitable terms; and take for witness two persons from among you, endued with justice, and establish the evidence (as) before Allah. Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares a way out,
65:3 And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is ((Allah)) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion.
65:4 Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.
65:5 That is the Command of Allah, which He has sent down to you: and if any one fears Allah, He will remove his ills, from him, and will enlarge his reward.
65:6 Let the women live (in 'iddat) in the same style as ye live, according to your means: Annoy them not, so as to restrict them. And if they carry (life in their wombs), then spend (your substance) on them until they deliver their burden: and if they suckle your (offspring), give them their recompense: and take mutual counsel together, according to what is just and reasonable. And if ye find
yourselves in difficulties, let another woman suckle (the child) on the (father's) behalf. **
These verses are more detailed than any explaination posted here and after reading them clearly, one can judge and eaisly conclude. However there are some more verses on the subject which are not relevant at this point.
Finally I can now accept Sherafghan's view because all the above verses confirms what he tried to tell.
quote from Sherafghan;
Muhammad salAllahualaihiwasallam considered three or more divorces at once to be counted as one divorce and it was Umar radiAllahuanhu in the latter part of his Khilafah said that three divorces at once will be counted as three divorces
cheers
Re: Divorced, Divorced, Divorved
Anyway, I guess I got here after the storm is over. What is the purpose of not divorcing someone while they’re on their period?