I found this truely sickening and disturbing..chk out the link for urself..
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/may2006-weekly/you-23-05-2006/index.html
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disturbing indeed. This is a curse in Pakistan. Even the government didn’t do anything when the female activist was killed 
All these men need a good spanking and thousand korays on their asses so they will learn how to treat a woman.
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oh and what is required is that these women need to start using guns as well to protect themselves. Laaton ke bhoot baaton say nahi maantey.
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Stepping well away from Jal_Pari because she seems verrrrrrry angry right now… :eek:
Anyway, here’s a workng link to the article and the opening paragraphs
In these contemporary times, there would perhaps be a few communities that collectively become antagonistic to the rights and sentiments of their women members and institutionalise their prejudice towards those women in such a manner that even the state laws and human values are unabashedly disregarded. One such place is district Dir Upper of North West Frontier Province (NWFP).
Concatenated decisions recently taken by the so-called local jirgas in Upper Dir have tightened the noose around women and have further suffocated the already shrunken living space available to them. Some revelations by the media have also confirmed the plight and banishment of Dir women from playing any political and thus social role in their area.
**Demonstrating the power of being a state within state, the local jirga in Nihag Darra area of the district has ‘legitimised’ honour killing. The jirga has decided that if anyone registers a case against the killer in an honour related case; the dwellers of the area would themselves take action against the former. This is typically like giving someone a licence to kill. Secondly, in the adjacent area, Dogram Nihag Wari, another jirga, has resolved that whoever reports or files a case concerning incidents of honour killing would be put to death by the jirga. **Thirdly, even after the present local government’s completion of six months, its elected women councillors (except a handful) have not been attending the district, union, and tehsil council sessions in Upper Dir.
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At any rate, the government must take drastic action against such jirgas.
Starting with a substantial cash reward for anyone who informs the authorities about the existence of a jirga; and the members of such a jirga should be sentenced to a mandatory life sentence.
Setting up or participating in a jirga should be punished as treason precisely because it undermines the authority of the state
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:) welcome to pukhtonistan
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For all of you who love to jump on the band wagon, not to say that this jirga is headed by ignorant bafoons, the governments Hudood Ordinance (details for those not familiar:The Offence of Zina (Enforcement Of Hudood) Ordinance, 1979.) has put over 700 women in jail unjustly, which the local media doesnt cover, and who are repeatedly raped and molested under the umbrella of the Pakistan Government.
So before we go blame pukhtonistan and the tribals, we should fix the government and free those 700 women, who have been unjustly accused of Zina by husbands who have already divorced them, and after they remarried recanted the fact that they ever offerred those women divorce. Sad part is, when a judge recently brought this issue of reform of the Hudood Ordinance, it was a female Senator who refused to even acknowledge the flaws in this law. Talk about irony.
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Shouldn't there be specific courts which will handle only cases as such which showed cruelty by Jirgas towards women? If it is agreed that regular high courts are unable to make a justifiable decisions or could care less about those women, then some good lawyers and judges should look into creating new court specific to Jirga cases only.
It is truly sad, so much for Mr. mushrraff that guy doesn't have time to look into what the heck is going on in his own court yard. I would definitly like to know that name of that Senator.
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It's disturbing but not of much consequence. Just a bunch of old men (religious elders) letting off some steam. The law in Dir is not the tribal Jirgas, Pakistani law applies to Dir and honour killings are specifically illegal in Pakistan (punishable by death as of a couple of years ago). Fundamentalists of all types perhaps think like this.
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Zina is an offence as in many other countries besides Pakistan, but women are held in women only prisons. Most of what you say appears to be gibberish.
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So before we go blame pukhtonistan and the tribals, we should fix the government and free those 700 women, who have been unjustly accused of Zina by husbands who have already divorced them, and after they remarried recanted the fact that they ever offerred those women divorce. Sad part is, when a judge recently brought this issue of reform of the Hudood Ordinance, it was a female Senator who refused to even acknowledge the flaws in this law. Talk about irony.
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A husband can also be accused of Zina. If you think about it, if a woman is guilty of zina, there has to be a man guilty of it to prove the guilt.
Also honour killings alos occur in Punjab called Karo Kari, but again half of those killed in the whole of Pakistan are men. It's not a woman specific crime.
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There are special courts. This jirga has no legal authority in Pakistan. Honour killings are committed against men also.
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if its so disgusting than why do you want US to read it
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o phuleese at what ratio?? 1 to 2000
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This may surprise you, this may shock you, you may not believe it, but the research has been done by an independent organization in Pakistan, and it shows that nearly 40% of those killed in these so called “honour killings” are men. It makes sense, as it takes two to tango, so to speak.
The report says that more than 473 incidents of honour killing were reported from Sindh, 337 from Punjab, 129 from Balochistan and 76 from NWFP during 2005. Those killed included 563 married women, 75 unmarried women, 373 men and six children.
(Daily Times - I’m not allowed to post links till I get to 15 posts!)
I hope that the new law will deter more of these cases from occurring.
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A husband can also be accused of Zina. If you think about it, if a woman is guilty of zina, there has to be a man guilty of it to prove the guilt.
Also honour killings alos occur in Punjab called Karo Kari, but again half of those killed in the whole of Pakistan are men. It's not a woman specific crime.
Dear Roadrunner, Are you from Pakistan? Do you live there? If you do then step outside your little room, open your eyes and try to learn the facts.
KaroKari is not practiced in Punjab, it happens in Sindh!
Jirga **has no authority in Pakistan?? Which Pakistan are you talking about? If it has no authority, how come they practice their jirga rules and Govt. cannot step in! The daughter of a NWFP Senator, who happend to be the president of Chamber of Commerce, got his own daughter murdered in the day light, in the name of honor only a few years ago. **Did that case ever got tried in any court of Govt. of Pakistan?? The daughter wanted to get out of an abusive marriage, mistreated for over 10 years and had begged her parents several time to get her out of that living beating hell, but they refused, for it was agianst the family honor that she takes divorce. So she escaped one night and approached some Human Rights Organization who gave her asylum. Her own mother visited her (on the order of her husband) with her personal armed guard. So the daughter comes in the office to meet her mother and cruel mother get her daughter bruised with bullets right there in that office. They walked out without anyone touching them. The young bright woman hardly in her 30s got killed in the name of honor. The next day Senate sessions happened as usual, no one said anything to that Cruel A*H** father. Nothing happened, it was an honor killing!
Also where in Pakistan (except probably one looney case in millions) men get punished for zina? Except that some tribes take revenge and kill the guy who was probably involved with their tribe's girl.
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One wrong doesn't justify other wrongs. Way Hudood ordinance is implemented is definitely not a good way but that doesn't mean that others can make parallel government/judiciary of their own and pass verdicts on their own. Learn to criticize what is wrong and not see "who" is doing it.
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^^ Exactly.
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KaroKari is not practiced in Punjab, it happens in Sindh!
Karo Kari is practised in both Punjab and Sindh.
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**Jirga **has no authority in Pakistan?? Which Pakistan are you talking about? If it has no authority, how come they practice their jirga rules and Govt. cannot step in!
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They can try and practise their rules, if they are illegal then they would be breaking the law. Jirgas only are rules for tribes, my point was they have no legitimacy in the Pakistan legal system. Corruption might occur, but I wouldnt know about this. I'm sure you can enlighten us.
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The daughter of a NWFP Senator, who happend to be the president of Chamber of Commerce, got his own daughter murdered in the day light, in the name of honor only a few years ago. Did that case ever got tried in any court of Govt. of Pakistan?? The daughter wanted to get out of an abusive marriage, mistreated for over 10 years and had begged her parents several time to get her out of that living beating hell, but they refused, for it was agianst the family honor that she takes divorce. So she escaped one night and approached some Human Rights Organization who gave her asylum. Her own mother visited her (on the order of her husband) with her personal armed guard. So the daughter comes in the office to meet her mother and cruel mother get her daughter bruised with bullets right there in that office. They walked out without anyone touching them. The young bright woman hardly in her 30s got killed in the name of honor. The next day Senate sessions happened as usual, no one said anything to that Cruel A*H** father. Nothing happened, it was an honor killing!
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Can you give a link to this case?
Honour killings are illegal in Pakistan.
**Pakistan honour killing bill passed* *
Pakistan's Senate has approved a bill which strengthens the law against so-called honour killings. **The death penalty will now be the maximum punishment for crimes in which victims are killed if judged to have brought dishonour on the family. (BBC)
If corruption is the problem, it needs to be sorted out.
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Also where in Pakistan (except probably one looney case in millions) men get punished for zina? Except that some tribes take revenge and kill the guy who was probably involved with their tribe's girl.
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Zina is an offence for men as well as women. You agree?
Therefore, in a court case, if a woman is accused of zina, to find her guilty, there must be a man guilty of it too. Do you disagree with this?
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I agree it's wrong.
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still cant post URLs 