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NAHIII YAAAAAR, i didn’t listen to that song!! its by who?? i’ll probably check it out after a week, right now, no time for TV,MUSIC and stuff because my ami je went to Pak and i have so many things to look after. ANYWAYZ, sis ek baat kaho, aapka bolnai ka andaaz bohat respectful hai!

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you know what i mean-hehehe take care anyways and do remember me in your prayers because i need them.
and bladegirl-wohoo sisi, what a nick, the way you talk reflects a totaly opposite atitude of you nick name. LOL im just kiddin, i love you sis. take care
Your ever lovin SISTA
MaSoOmA

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TRYING TO BE KOOL LIK YA

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HEHE

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Masooma,

Could you then give me the yahoo link for the stuff you quoted on the Sharia'h! I would most certainly appreciate it and Allah will be most happy with you!

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Masooma,

You say,

"sis ek baat kaho, aapka bolnai ka andaaz bohat respectful hai! you know what i mean-hehehe"

I know "Exactly" what you mean....smile
This time and every time, you write to me or someone else...if not "Exactly", then, 90% for sure....smile

Aur hum isee liye aap koa batoaN meiN uljhaa rahay haiN....smile...
Ye mayraa "regular" andaaz nahiN hai...lekin, aap bhee "Regular" kahaaN....smile...

Okay, I am off to lunch! Take care till we meet again....Smile

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Asalam-u-Alaikum
Sure logical, http://www.tiac.net/users/islam/
http://al-islam.org/index/index.htm

Logical, one thing i would like to suggest you here is, that when you will read all this, you should have some other source of guidence as well. You know islam is devided into many firqai, every Firqa will say that what they are saying is right, these sites are also constructed by people belonging to different firqai, you must read this while you have a teacher, imaam who can guide you and explain these concepts, but again, dont listen to the teacher either, just think about it, the teacher show you the light, the final decision is to be made by you! Dont agree with anyone blindly, each verse they indicate, open Quran and make sure its there!!

I HOPE THESE SITES WILL HELP.
KHUDA HAFIZ
MASOOMA

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ASALAM-U-ALAIKUM
DEHATAN SIS, BY REGULAR WHAT DID YOU MEAN?I DIDN’T QUITE GET THAT, SHOULD I THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BY TAKING IT AS A COMPLIMENT, OR JUST STAY QUITE BY TAKING IT AS A CRTICISM?

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ANYWAYZ MY QUOTE FOR LIFE IS “I GIVE ALL THE RESPECT ONE DESERVES”
HAVE A NICE LUCNH!! ENJOY

MASOOMA

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masooma, u make so much sense. your parents have done a commendable job in ur upbringing masha’allah.

a good influence on some of the complexed crowd here… keep it up sister.

cheers,

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My dear masooma,
Thanks for the links to shia websites. First, you claim to be getting your quotations from surfing the web, then you give me links to 2 shia websites.

Could you pls provide the link or the source of the following that you quoted on the Sharia'h.

NOTE:I NEED LINK TO THIS QUOTATION OF YOURS:
The fundamental rights of non-Muslims, according to the Shari'ah, are their protection from all external threats, their protection from internal tyranny and persecution and their right to their own personal law according to the teachings of their own religion.!

The Muslims are duty-bound to spare their hands and tongues from hurting the non-Muslim citizens. They must not keep enmity or hatred against them. Since Muslims believe that God hates tyrants and punishes them both in this world and the next, Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) himself warned Muslims against any high-handedness towards the non-Muslim citizens (called dhimmi in Arabic) - e.g. "One who hurts dhimmi hurts me, hurts God. also whosoever I am a complainant l shall ask for his right on the Day of Resurrection." !

A Muslim government also is responsible, according to the Shari'ah, to provide its citizens with such economic facilities as are necessary for the maintenance of human happiness and dignity. Therefore the affairs of the community must be arranged in such a way that every individual man and woman, Muslim and non-Muslim, shall enjoy that minimum of material well-being without which there can be no human dignity, no real freedom, and in the last resort no spiritual progress. This does not mean that the state should or ever could, ensure carefree living from its citizens. It does mean, however, that every citizen has:
a) The right to productive and remunerative work while of working age and in good health.
b) Training at the expense of the State, if necessary, for such productive work.
c) Free and efficient health services in case of illness.
d) Provision by the state of adequate nourishment, clothing and shelter in cases of disability resulting from illness, widowhood, unemployment due to circumstances beyond individual's control, old-age or under-age.

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Asalam-u-ALikum
Logical,the sites i gave you, look carefuly, on the bottom of the windows,there is an option saying other links, i got the rules of SHARI'AH from one of those sites in the links!! so plzz now do yourself a favour and look throgh the links to find the site with the info your looking for. there are hundreds of links there and i went surfing through many of them. I dont remember from which site i got the rules under those sites, and as i told you, i had to consult my teacher as well. DO YOU GET WHAT IM SAYING MY DEAR BROTHER??its one of those sites under the links option!!

Masooma

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Masooma,

You didn't read my post carefully you just assumed that by equality I mean sameness and gave me a big lecture on a very basic stuff.

You seem to be going in circles and trying to hide the correct meaning, which is very obivious and needs no explanation. My opinion that muslims countries treat non-muslims and women badly due to the religious teachings. Lets agree to disagree.

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Hey logical,

Do I get the feeling that Masooma is saying you need an alim.

The links Masooma provided are all Shia with exception of a few.

Masooma, can you provide some examples of societies that “this Islam as you paint it” is practised!

I love your quote on the Sharia’h where you say:
“Under the Shari-ah no distinction of race, religion, citizenship, economic or social status or personal capabilities can ever obliterate the rights of a non-Muslim. Muslims and non-Muslims are to be treated as equal before the law.”

Is Masooma saying that this verse from Quran is false/aborted:

“And whoever seeks a religion other than
Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” [Al-Qur’an 3:85]

Or this Fatwa based on above:
It is prohibited for any Muslim to respond to the call for building (a mosque, a church, and a temple)in one complex, as this would imply a confession that there are religions by which Allah can be worshipped,
besides Islam. This would also involve a denial that Islam is the purest of all the other religions. It would also imply a serious admission that religions are three and that people on earth may adopt whatever
they wish of them, equally, and that Islam has not superseded the religions that preceded it.

Or, the following decree/fatwa by the Taliban that reflects Quran 3:85:

The order/fatwa stated that non-Muslims were not allowed to build any place of worship like temple, church or gurudwara but can worship and repair only those places of worship which were damaged during the war.

The non-Muslims are also not entitled to put any case against Muslims, according to the order. Further, all non-Muslims have been asked to put a two-meter long yellow cloth atop their house for identification.

The order banned non-Muslims from living together with Muslims in one house and asked such houses to be vacated within three days.
Women of non-Muslim families have been prohibited from walking in a street or bazaar without wearing a ``chadar’’ which covers them. Women can only wear iron
jewellery, the order said.

Moreover, the Law Ministry in Kabul said there must be a difference between non-Muslim and Muslim dresses. Non-Muslims must wear a yellow dress with a mark to
ensure identification from a distance. The order also barred non-Muslims from wearing dresses of a priest or saint.

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Rani sis,
you say "You seem to be going in circles and trying to hide the correct meaning, which is very obivious and needs no explanation. " would you mind telling me what TRUE meaning am i trying to hide?Is it that, muslim countries are treating non-muslims in a bad manner because Allah asked them to??because Islam teaches them to? Is that what your trying to say?

And faceup, no thats not what im trying to say. What i meant was sometimes these sites can be misunderstanable, they can develope conflicts in our mind, that is why we should always have another person who we consider has the knowledge about these things, who can guide us, who can start a debate on a specific issue, and at the end its upto us, whether we agree or disagree. About that Shari'ah thing, brother the verses you wrote, its only one way to look at them, dont ignore the other part, the story behind those verses.
I'll be writing on this in detail, i gotta go right now

Khuda hafiz
Masooma

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Your attitude and sense of reasoning is very commendable Masooma, keep it up.

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Masooma,

Read following, Koran is discriminating against non-muslims, there are numerous such verses in Koran. Muhammad is speaking on behalf of Allah. Please don't provide me with lengthy explaination or history behind it because following verse is self explanatory and no history should propel a religiou man to hate others.

And whoever seeks a religion other than
Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Al-Qur'an 3:85] <<

Read this, about treatment of women I don't think this represents equality...I don't need a lecture about same and different but equal. Men are told they are lord and masters.

[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

I need no explanation as I can very well understand this simple verse.

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rani, agreed it gives men responsibilities to take care of women and in return asks women to be loyal and obedient to their husbands and relatives.

but still its miles and miles ahead of the devdasi (making the women prostitutes for the upper class) system right? And or the caste system where humans are graded by which family they are born into. where a shoodar is the hated, looked down upon, piece of filth even though he follows the same faith.

Islam does not discriminate against non-muslims but asks the muslims to go out and preach to these non-muslims so they can abide by the teachings of the Last Prophet (pbuh) and not some perverted cult as is the case with your ancestors.

As you can see whereever Islam grew it produced Loyal Muslims be it starting from Makkah to Africa to Indonesia. Now if they were ruthless murderers as you claim them to be… then how do you explain how did they convert hundredds of thousands of sikhs and hindus, which happen to be ur ancestors.

Almost all of the current Pakistani Punjabi population have sikh ancestors. All of the Muslim population living in india and bangladesh is converted from hinduism… they are all loyal Muslims. As a matter of fact Indian mulims are more active in Tableegh-e-Islam (preaching of Islam to non-muslims) than Pakistani muslims.

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Second in our culture and traditions women do follow and agree to what the man says.
So the first job of admonishing her would get the desired effect.
But if she continues for sake her bed.
Now this concerns just a single issue.
Forsaking her bed would get the the same effect.
And lastly you can hit her in a gentle manner.
I punch in the face which brakes her nose is not part of the deal.
And thus HARAM!!!<<

You see nothing wrong with the above........beating a person even in gentle manner clearly establishes superior and inferior relationship and outlines who is in charge and is very demeaning and insulting.

Would you mind if your partner admonished you if you failed to do as told and then left you alone to punish you, if it didn't work gave you a beating in a gentle manner? She was clearly your lord and master appointed by Allah.

Tradition of women obeying men only works if women are kept uneducated and are restricted in their movement and interaction with outside world...they have no choice but to obey.

The unequal relationship described in your passage will be completely unacceptable in any civilized society of 20th century.

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ASALAM-U-ALAIKUM
THANK YOU ELMO WITH HEADPHONES!

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RANI SIS, I HAVE TRIED MY BEST TO EXPLAIN AND NOW YOU ASK ME NOT TO GIVE YOU LECTURES. RANI SIS, STUDYING ISLAM IS DIFFERENT FROM STUDYING YOUR SCHOOL SUBJECTS, WELL ISLAM IS LIKE MATH, IF YOU DONT KNOW THE PREVIOUS STUFF, YOU CAN’T MOVE AHEAD, IN THE SAME MANNER, IF YOU DONT KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND THE VERSES IN QURAN, YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING AND SO YOU DEVELOPE CONFLICTS AND GET WRONG IMPRESSIONS. MUNDAYAA AND CM EXPLAINED YOU THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE VERSES IN A VERY PROPER MANNER, AND IM 101% SURE THAT YOU WILL STILL DISAGREE/??AM I RIGHT?? AND IF NOT THEN!!CONGRADULATIONS SIS, AND MUNDAYAA ALONG WITH CM!!
OK I WONT START THE LECTURE HERE…BUT JUST AN ADVICE , DONT JUST LOOK AT THE PART YOU WANT TO LOOK AT AND IGNORE THE REST, THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO EDUCATE YOURSELF. LIMITING YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS NEVER HELPFUL.

PEACE OUT
KHUDA HAFIZ
MA ASALAAM
MASOOMA

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Rani

Almost all of the current Pakistani Punjabi population have sikh ancestors<<

I have no problem with people converting to Islam or any religion they want to but have big problem when Islam doesn't allow its members to convert to any other religion...if they do the punishment is death under the laws of most muslim countries.

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RANI SIS,
MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION IF YOU DONT MIND? WHAT OTHER RELEGION DO YOU THINK IS BETTER THAN ISLAM AND PROVIDE security, justice and "equality" to its followers?what is that OTHER relegion which will attract a muslim to leave Islam?

Hope to hear from you soon
Masooma

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Masooma,

what is that OTHER relegion which will attract a muslim to leave Islam?<<

Your arrogance, ignorance and lack of toleration is coming through loud and clear ..take off your blinders and turn off your caps. Liabraries are full of books on eastern religions (Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism) read them I can assure you will surprise yourself.

ZZ and queer have posted verses from Upanishads on this forum read them...you will be surprised at the message of wisdom, love for all humanity and universalism depicted in them.

You are trying to speak for everybody out there...result of religious brainwashing and being told that everybody non-muslim is inferior and Allah only loves the believers message of Koran.

P.S. you keep on talking about equality for the followers of Islam,. I am talking equality for all fellow human beings men and women. I hope you can see the big difference.

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