Disheartened with recent medical results

[Bobby1]

Re: Disheartened with recent medical results

@SID_NY

Err.. you got the memo but you aint getting it yet. I’m NOT here to feed the trolls, I’m here to keep an eye. And yea Pakistanis are doing terrible while filipinos and Indians and Ugandans and Ethiopians etc are doing so great. You are welcome to join their forums instead of spending your “valuable” time here.

When they say same to you, do you like it? You go screaming bloody murder, freedoms, constitution.

[SID_NY]

Re: Disheartened with recent medical results

@Bobby1

When they say same to you, do you like it? You go screaming bloody murder, freedoms, constitution.

Yea genius, you are soo right. I, repeat, I go screaming…

What can I do, control nai hota

[Captain_Obvious]

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@Bobby1

Maybe reflect on why anti muslim hate groups have tripled in size in 2 years? and also reflect on why I am not seeing a lot of immigration from Pakistan and also reflect on why Pakistanis are becoming one of the poorest ethnicities of Canada? If you can find answers to those questions, then you will get the answer to the question you asked me.

Anti-Muslim group membership - well, without studying them in any sort of detail, I can only guess. The top reasons that come to mind would be hatred for those who are different, propaganda that involves painting all Muslims with the same brush for the actions of a very small minority, ignorance, misconceptions/lack of education, lack of actual contact with Muslims. I’ve had English and French Canadian friends/colleagues mention how different groups have been looked down upon in the past.

Why do you see little immigration from Pakistan - I’m not going to pretend that I know any relevant statistics, but how many Pakistanis are immigrating here would not be relevant without knowing how many are trying. I know in the past, they had a lengthy process to process immigration applications from there due to their higher suspicion of fraud from there. I know of many who have recently immigrated. The common thing with them is that they possessed skills/education that were in demand or they studied and graduated here.

Pakistanis becoming one of the poorest ethnicities in Canada - Again I won’t pretend I know these statistics, or even if the statement is true. I assume if you know of any such study, you would probably be able to get more insight from there.

All that being said, I can’t see any correlation between RV’s attitude/behaviour to any of the above based on anything I’ve read from her. So after trying to answer your questions, I’m still no closer to getting the answer to mine.

[Bobby1]

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@Captain_Obvious

Anti-Muslim group membership - well, without studying them in any sort of detail, I can only guess. The top reasons that come to mind would be hatred for those who are different, propaganda that involves painting all Muslims with the same brush for the actions of a very small minority, ignorance, misconceptions/lack of education, lack of actual contact with Muslims. I’ve had English and French Canadian friends/colleagues mention how different groups have been looked down upon in the past.

Why do you see little immigration from Pakistan - I’m not going to pretend that I know any relevant statistics, but how many Pakistanis are immigrating here would not be relevant without knowing how many are trying. I know in the past, they had a lengthy process to process immigration applications from there due to their higher suspicion of fraud from there. I know of many who have recently immigrated. The common thing with them is that they possessed skills/education that were in demand or they studied and graduated here.

Pakistanis becoming one of the poorest ethnicities in Canada - Again I won’t pretend I know these statistics, or even if the statement is true. I assume if you know of any such study, you would probably be able to get more insight from there.

All that being said, I can’t see any correlation between RV’s attitude/behaviour to any of the above based on anything I’ve read from her. So after trying to answer your questions, I’m still no closer to getting the answer to mine.

Here is an interesting article

https://www.dawn.com/news/1298978

So the Filipinos are different, they integrate and assimilate into society here. The right wingers accuse muslims of religious totalitarianism which is defined as for some who don’t know what it is

**1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

**She seems to fit the bill as some others and this gives ammo to our haters to whip the public opinion against us and hence reluctance to give work visas, make immigration tougher and not accept academic qualifications. One of my wife’s BIL we helped immigrate would fight at work, he needed time off on Friday, a place to pray, breaks for prayers etc, employers will not openly oppose that guy but will find excuses to not hire people like him again. Angry people who openly advertise hatred for west have become our brand advertisers. It may not seem right but how all of us act has an impact of how the community sees us. Our haters have run an effective campaign against us and many bad ones like the refugee who was touching multiple children in our city pool and the one who tried to run over people have not helped us. After the attack in our city there was a lot of anger and then people talk about we should not be paying hundreds of millions in supporting people who hate us.

[eastern11]

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@Lostone1

I always wanted to marry my wife for the wrong reasons. We knew each other for a solid six years before we got married and you would think I would leave at any sign of incompatibility but I didn’t. In the end because I married her I realized I shouldn’t have. We are NOT compatible on a social, academic and emotional basis. I think at this point I am considering divorce not only because of the fertility issue but this is someone I don’t think I can grow old with and have my kids around. I totally take the blame that this was all my fault and in the end I will be blamed but everyday gets worse and worse with her. We fight, we don’t talk and our relationship is beyond repair. I can’t hold a conversation with her without her getting angry.

I wish I had made a more responsible decision but I didn’t and I do not want to continue the relationship as it will only strain the relationship further and cause further issues.

I understand I messed up her life…she could have been with a doctor and live a more comfortable life but in the end she chose me and we’ve had problems since day one…but everyday we just hate each other more. It is sad that we ignored the signs before marriage but this is what happens when you do in fact ignore the signs and get married in haste to appease family and to just have a partner.

You live in the U.S., don’t you? Being married to a doctor is not the cure of all ills!

[Captain_Obvious]

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@Bobby1

Here is an interesting article

https://www.dawn.com/news/1298978

So the Filipinos are different, they integrate and assimilate into society here. The right wingers accuse muslims of religious totalitarianism which is defined as for some who don’t know what it is

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

She seems to fit the bill as some others and this gives ammo to our haters to whip the public opinion against us and hence reluctance to give work visas, make immigration tougher and not accept academic qualifications. One of my wife’s BIL we helped immigrate would fight at work, he needed time off on Friday, a place to pray, breaks for prayers etc, employers will not openly oppose that guy but will find excuses to not hire people like him again. Angry people who openly advertise hatred for west have become our brand advertisers. It may not seem right but how all of us act has an impact of how the community sees us. Our haters have run an effective campaign against us and many bad ones like the refugee who was touching multiple children in our city pool and the one who tried to run over people have not helped us. After the attack in our city there was a lot of anger and then people talk about we should not be paying hundreds of millions in supporting people who hate us.

I don’t see a problem with adhering to ones religious practices and I haven’t seen her being intolerant towards anyone and I doubt that any behaviour of hers (as far as I know) would cause public opinion to go against us. You are right, the way we act will impact how the community sees us. However, unlike your opinion on the matter, I don’t believe that the solution is to abandon religious practices/identity. Instead, I try to make a good representation while continuing to observe religious practices. I also take off time to pray at work. I even have my Juma timeslot permanently blocked off from having to take meetings and have had my travel plans modified by the company for business trips so that I can get my prayers on time. However, despite all of that, I still make sure to perform my work duties well and the time that I take out to pray etc. I will make it up to make sure that I am making them up. This is something that many Muslim professionals do.

Also, I couldn’t care less what those right wingers say. Those guys will scream about Islamification (or whatever it’s called) of the West for something as small as school kids having Halal food options available even though it doesn’t affect the availability of non-Halal for the rest.

[Bobby1]

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@Captain_Obvious

I don’t see a problem with adhering to ones religious practices and I haven’t seen her being intolerant towards anyone and I doubt that any behaviour of hers (as far as I know) would cause public opinion to go against us. You are right, the way we act will impact how the community sees us. However, unlike your opinion on the matter, I don’t believe that the solution is to abandon religious practices/identity. Instead, I try to make a good representation while continuing to observe religious practices. I also take off time to pray at work. I even have my Juma timeslot permanently blocked off from having to take meetings and have had my travel plans modified by the company for business trips so that I can get my prayers on time. However, despite all of that, I still make sure to perform my work duties well and the time that I take out to pray etc. I will make it up to make sure that I am making them up. This is something that many Muslim professionals do.

Also, I couldn’t care less what those right wingers say. Those guys will scream about Islamification (or whatever it’s called) of the West for something as small as school kids having Halal food options available even though it doesn’t affect the availability of non-Halal for the rest.

Observing our beliefs is totally our right, it becomes totalitarian when you think my belief is right and others is wrong. As long as people are accepting of that there is no problem. There are many who show hatred and disgust at western values and abuse people who chose to integrate and those people are a problem. When The guest Imam in Montreal made an anti semitic speech and no worshiper spoke against it, that is a problem. When I was invited to a wedding and Imam made an emotional speech about wives are supposed to be obedient and their best place is at home and then people continue to engage him is a big problem. She claims that her belief is the right belief and everything else is wrong and that is the problem. Living in a country and making hateful statements about it, its people and its values is a huge problem.

It is not a small group of people that turned against us it is a really big number, a number so big as to elect DT, you might not care about what they think but the military mandate now is to engage mercilessly without restraints, Israel has had restraints lifted also and there isnt much concern for Rohingyas and also immigration to west will get limited so let us not minimise the consequences of what our behaviors do, the lives of hundreds of millions will be affected very negatively. So if we care about our brothers than we should care about the public opinion.

[redvelvet]

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People have the right to express what they believe is wrong or a sin…even if it comes into conflict with the beliefs of another person. That does not necessarily mean that one will carry a pitchfork or light a torch and head out into the streets to attack someone who believes differently from them. But that right to express belongs to everyone. The problem with BOB is that he openly expresses mockery and contempt when someone expresses religious beliefs that differ from his own views…but he doesn’t want people doing that to him. That is all that it boils down to and many on here can see through it.

[Captain_Obvious]

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@Bobby1

Observing our beliefs is totally our right, it becomes totalitarian when you think my belief is right and others is wrong. As long as people are accepting of that there is no problem. There are many who show hatred and disgust at western values and abuse people who chose to integrate and those people are a problem. When The guest Imam in Montreal made an anti semitic speech and no worshiper spoke against it, that is a problem. When I was invited to a wedding and Imam made an emotional speech about wives are supposed to be obedient and their best place is at home and then people continue to engage him is a big problem. She claims that her belief is the right belief and everything else is wrong and that is the problem. Living in a country and making hateful statements about it, its people and its values is a huge problem.

It is not a small group of people that turned against us it is a really big number, a number so big as to elect DT, you might not care about what they think but the military mandate now is to engage mercilessly without restraints, Israel has had restraints lifted also and there isnt much concern for Rohingyas and also immigration to west will get limited so let us not minimise the consequences of what our behaviors do, the lives of hundreds of millions will be affected very negatively. So if we care about our brothers than we should care about the public opinion.

Anyone who believes in any religion and even atheists for that matter will believe that those who believe differently from them are wrong. That doesn’t necessarily that they are intolerant of each other and can’t coexist peacefully. Sure there may be those who show hatred and abuse those who chose to assimilate (I use assimilate here because I don’t equate integration and assimilation) but the inverse is also true and to me those people are an equal part of the problem. Our imam often tells us that we don’t have to fight with those who don’t follow our ways but we should not have any doubt that certain things, though permitted by law here, are against what Islam teaches us.

I don’t believe DT got elected only because of his anti-Muslim stance. Closer to home, Trudeau got elected even after taking a supportive stance on the niqab during citizenship ceremony issue while the only party who opposed it lost. I still remember getting Conservatives flyer in the mail saying that we should support them because they’re the only party against the niqab at the citizenship ceremony.

I’m not saying I don’t care about public opinion and that we shouldn’t try to be good examples, but more that I don’t really care about what certain haters say. They’ll complain about anything and everything being done by Muslims, whether it has the least bit of effect on their lives or not. If anything takes public opinion against us, it will be the stuff that involves violent extremism and even lack of appreciation of what we are getting here. All that being said, I see no connection to RV for any of the problems that would actually make it difficult for eligible people to immigrate or have any type of negative impact on Muslims or Pakistanis in general.