Disgraceful character of Aisha

Again, from your same Sahih Bukhari Links:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/009.sbt.html

Read and enjoy to see Aisha’s true demeaning character:

YOUR MOTHER OF BELIEVERS, AISHA, REGULARLY JEALOUS OF THE PROPHET’S WIVES - GOOD ISLAMIC CHARACTER

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 166:

Narrated 'Aisha: 

I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet as much as I did of Khadija
though I did not see her, but the Prophet used to mention her very often, and when ever
he slaughtered a sheep, he would cut its parts and send them to the women friends of
Khadija. When I sometimes said to him, "(You treat Khadija in such a way) as if there
is no woman on earth except Khadija," he would say, "Khadija was such-and-such, and
from her I had children." 

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114:

PROPHET OF ALLAH GOING TO PRAY WITH SEMEN STAINS ON HIS CLOTHES - AISHA REVEALING IT ALL:

Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice
one or more spots on them. 

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:

Narrated 'Aisha: 

I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used
to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible). 

PROPHET OF ALLAH HAVING WET DREAMS:

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 260:

Narrated Maimuna: 

The Prophet took the bath of Janaba. (sexual relation or wet dream). He first cleaned
his private parts with his hand, and then rubbed it(that hand) on the wall (earth) and
washed it. Then he performed ablution like that for the prayer, and after the bath he
washed his feet.

AISHA SLEEPING IN BETWEEN THE PROPHET AND THE QIBLA DURING THE PROPHET’S PRAYERS - COULDN’T BE BOTHERED TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY:

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 379:

Narrated Abu Salama: 

'Aisha the wife of the Prophet said, "I used to sleep in front of Allah's Apostle and my
legs were opposite his Qibla and in prostration he pushed my legs and I withdrew then
and when he stood, I stretched them.' 'Aisha added, "In those days the houses were
without lights." 

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 380:

Narrated 'Aisha: 

Allah Apostle prayed while I was lying like a dead body on his family bed between
him and his Qibla. 

May Allah (swt) forgive me for having to post such filth from Sahih Bukhari and may Allah (swt) send his blessings on his holiest messenger (pbuh), and on his progeny.

Read your Sahihs and see how it degrades the prophet of Allah (swt)

Wa Salam

Assalam-Alaikum,

I’m trying to verify the quotes you have:

Where you have quoted,

"Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114:
Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice
one or more spots on them."

I’ve looked it up and got a different hadith for Volume1, Book 3, Number 114:

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114:
Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:

Ibn 'Abbas said, “When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, ‘Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.’ But 'Umar said, ‘The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah’s Book with us and that is sufficient for us.’ But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me.” Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah’s Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Note: It is apparent from this Hadith that Ibn 'Abbes had witnessed the event and came out saying this statement. The truth is not so, for Ibn 'Abbas used to say this statement on narrating the Hadith and he had not witnessed the event personally. See Fath Al-Bari Vol. 1, p.220 footnote.) (See Hadith No. 228, Vol. 4).

This is from the same website you have quoted your other hadiths from:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/003.sbt.html

Do you have the correct reference for this statement?

Wasalaam

CoolDude;

Yes, that is a reference for the hadith where Umar dis-obeyed the prophet of Allah (pbuh) at the time near his death and refused to give him anything to write on. I wrote it there by mistake.

By the way, as can be seen in this hadith, the prophet of Allah was very capable of writing - unlike what some sunnis believe where they would like to keep the prophet illiterate.

The hadith # and location for the hadiths relating to Aisha are found at the beginning of each hadith quote.

Wa Salam

CoolDude;

Yes, that is a reference for the hadith where Umar dis-obeyed the prophet of Allah (pbuh) at the time near his death and refused to give him anything to write on. I wrote it there by mistake.

By the way, as can be seen in this hadith, the prophet of Allah was very capable of writing - unlike what some sunnis believe where they would like to keep the prophet illiterate.

The hadith # and location for the hadiths relating to Aisha are found at the beginning of each hadith quote.

Wa Salam

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Originally posted by a11shah:
**Again, from your same Sahih Bukhari Links:

Read and enjoy to see Aisha's true demeaning character:
YOUR MOTHER OF BELIEVERS, AISHA, REGULARLY JEALOUS OF THE PROPHET'S WIVES - GOOD ISLAMIC CHARACTER Volume 5, Book 58, Number 166:

Narrated 'Aisha: 

I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet as much as I did of Khadija
though I did not see her, but the Prophet used to mention her very often, and when ever
he slaughtered a sheep, he would cut its parts and send them to the women friends of
Khadija. When I sometimes said to him, "(You treat Khadija in such a way) as if there
is no woman on earth except Khadija," he would say, "Khadija was such-and-such, and
from her I had children." 

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114:

PROPHET OF ALLAH GOING TO PRAY WITH SEMEN STAINS ON HIS CLOTHES - AISHA REVEALING IT ALL:

Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice
one or more spots on them. 

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:

Narrated 'Aisha: 

I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used
to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible). 

PROPHET OF ALLAH HAVING WET DREAMS:

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 260:

Narrated Maimuna: 

The Prophet took the bath of Janaba. (sexual relation or wet dream). He first cleaned
his private parts with his hand, and then rubbed it(that hand) on the wall (earth) and
washed it. Then he performed ablution like that for the prayer, and after the bath he
washed his feet.

AISHA SLEEPING IN BETWEEN THE PROPHET AND THE QIBLA DURING THE PROPHET'S PRAYERS - COULDN'T BE BOTHERED TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY:

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 379:

Narrated Abu Salama: 

'Aisha the wife of the Prophet said, "I used to sleep in front of Allah's Apostle and my
legs were opposite his Qibla and in prostration he pushed my legs and I withdrew then
and when he stood, I stretched them.' 'Aisha added, "In those days the houses were
without lights." 

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 380:

Narrated 'Aisha: 

Allah Apostle prayed while I was lying like a dead body on his family bed between
him and his Qibla. 

May Allah (swt) forgive me for having to post such filth from Sahih Bukhari and may Allah (swt) send his blessings on his holiest messenger (pbuh), and on his progeny.

Read your Sahihs and see how it degrades the prophet of Allah (swt)

Wa Salam**
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The writer "A11shah" should have to reveal his/her own charachter before trying to creat fuss. If he/she is a Muslim then it would have been better to make an investigation about the authenticity of what is written in "Sahee'h Bukhari".

Of course I am going to answer his/her fussy message, taking it as my duty being a Muslim but first of all I would request him/her to be decisive as he/she tried to posed to be apologetic at the end of the message. What does it mean? As he/she mentioned it as "filth" then why to be worried about seeking Allah's forgiveness? If he/she is determined to call something "filth" should reject that stuff and declare it not acceptable for him/her.

Lets agree right here, that you are a either double-standared person or are in "higgledy-piggeldy" state of mind!!

Now here is what I have to say against all of your quotations:

AISHA'S JEALOUSY! Aisha, the wife of Mohammad (PBUH) naturally has the honour to be a "Sahabia" (a companion of the Holy Prophet). Quraan defines the virtues of the real believers (Momineen & mominat) and it is certified "Mohammad wallazeena ma'ahoo, ashdda'a lilkuffar wa rohoma'o bainahum" means: Mohammad and his companions are stern against non-believers and they are very kind towards one an other. At another place it is confirmed about committing "Sins" that the believers dont make mistakes to committ "kaba'yer" (big sins) however they may mistake for Sagha'yer (minor offences) When we see deep, and get the two forms of sin catagorized, we shall come to know that Back-biting/telling a lie is a not a minor mistake but a "kabeerah". Jealousy is such a big evil that in the last- -but -one Sura of the Quran, the believers are advised always to wish for Allah's shelter from the "jealousy of a jelous". That is our faith (Iman) that Aisha can not commit this (Kabeerah). Believing in such "stories" will certainly mean that Mohammad (PBUH) could not "produce" believers even inside his family. The whole claim of Mohammad's (PBUH) seems to be a failure. So to me its unbelieveable that our mother Aisha could have such behaviour.

Second important point to the embarressed writer is to talk about sexual affairs. Well, I have no idea what society the writer belongs to, however, in every society there are some taboos. In a muslim society , of course it is prohibited to talk about sexual points. Even then, every normal human being is concerned to perform sexual duties. Like all other walks of human life, there are some manners & ettiquates, some sort of hygenic care and some precautionery measures etc. that is a "must" for everyone to get the knowledge of sexual matters. Arabic is a very rich language, it is quite possible to discuss such "delicate" issue with carefully selected wording that will never cause any "fun-stuff" throught the talk. It can happen quite frequently that a translation lacks such substitutes in the other language to express a point in writing or speech. Just think for a while and we can watch within our society how difficult is to mention (when we have to) a woman's periods, intercourse, pregnency, abrotion etc. speaking our ocal languages like Punjabi, Sindhi, Pushto, Balochi or Urdu. Illetertes can even judge that just by the usage of English wording we can discuss the same matters comparatively with much ease. We experience it everyday. So lets assume that to know something is never bad, but the way and the time it is mentioned is important.

Now, as per your quotation, Aisha narrates.........! My counter question is narrates to whome? and what made her narrate? was she supposed to teach something to a fellow Mominah?

Whenver you pluck a portion from a book it that looks objectionable to you, the sole way to accept to reject the theme is to visualize the "context" of the point. So just bring something forward calling people to come and "enjoy" for such a thing is the height of stupidity.

The most important point for such writings/talks is that it should not be made public, in the way the writer has done. These ettiquates, principlals and care is a part of everday life e.g. the writer will never like to talk about his/her mother's or sister's sexual matters even he/she would be well aware of his/her their needs, performance or satisfaction. At the same time he/she can have to talk about all this if he/she is to discuss it with a doctor or a psychiatrist. In normal life it will remain a taboo even afterwards.

So once the purpose is to "know" or to investigate the rules or suggestions about the sexual performanaces or the pre / post matrimonial cares, DOs & DO NOTs etc. It is essential to have such literatures for the good of the coming generations. There is also a need to update the available information to preserve the facts and to reject the wrong beliefs.

Talking about "Wet dreaming of Prophet" is really a devilish approach. The object overthere is talk about the cleanliness and the writer is more interested to divert the attention towards what he called Wet Dreaming! I have the following points:

(1) Physically Mohammad (PBUH) was a normal human being. So narmally it happens to the males. What is this astonishment about?

(2) and when it happens it is suggested to clean the dress and the body parts. It is a matter of common sense that in hot climate areas, if someone washes a portion of his dress it is quite agreeable to wear it again even it is not completely dried. We should not forget about the fact also that we are talking about a society of centuries ago. The luxury of today should not be expected with the simplicity of that time. (I dont think even there was the concept of ironing the dress!).

The writer's attitude reminds me of a joke I heared at a Punjabi Comedy Stage Drama. There a funster tell that there is very MASOOM (innocent)woman lives in our locality. His co-artist objects, She ? what makes you call her innocent? I know she has 14 children and still she is Masoom!!
I dont know how writers controls his/her mind when he/she comes accross his/her own father or mother (must be mature enough to realize their relationship!)

About the incident of Aish'a being in between Mohammad (PBUH) and Qiblah while he was praying, the part where she mentions that "during those days there was no light in the house" says it all! She has certainly narrated about a mistake she did unintentionally. or it shows that Mohammad was so kind and tolerant that he managed to continue his prayers.......Thats what could be regarded as the purpose of saving this narration.

In the end I must declare that the Muslims are answerable only to what is available in our Holy Book. God through his Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) has given us only one BOOK ie. Quran. All the other books including Sahee'h Muslim or Bukhari are "man-made' attempts to preserve some sayings of Holy Prophet and some inceidents narrated by different companions of Holy Prophet. Some of them are true to the philosophy of Quran and some are not. Some are authentic and some are "poor" or weak" and even fabricated. The best way to be a confident Muslim is to say, "HASABNA KITAB ALLAH" (To us Allah's book is enough).

well said fahkira, now i know why shias are killed in pakistan ie for slandering the prophet and his family. Nevertheless shais shouldnt be dealt wwith sword only by debate.Shias are only a minority group making alot of noise.Tolerance is the key.

Not all Shias have this mindset. there are over 30 sects of shia as well. a11Shah is just trying to create trouble. This is the sort of thing that can happen on the net where identity is not known.

Brother Fakri;

You have made the very point that I have attempted to provoke out of my sunni brothers.

If you know of the Ahl Sunnat teachings, the sahih books are authentic. They are supposed to be taken as the truth after the Qur'an.

YOU FELT HURT TO KNOW THAT YOUR MOTHER OF BELIEVERS, AISHA COULD BE A JEALOUS WOMAN. Well, it is stated by her and written by your great Bukhari. You chose not to believe it, saying that the Qur'an is enough. YOU HAVE THUS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT NOT ALL OF THE HADITHS IN THE SAHIHS ARE truthful.

You sunnis do not even accept your own books to be authentic but you still label them as sahihs. So don't use the sahihs to boast of the greatness of your sham sahabahs when in fact they were nothing but munafiqs.

By the way, you should believe in the corrupt character of Aisha. A woman who was always jealous, and who led a bloody war against the holy Imam, killing thousands of muslims in the process.

And what did she achieve ? She fell in a pile of camel dung in the battle of siffin. AND YOU PRAISE SUCH A WOMAN.

Why don't you all go to prayers with semen stains as well. Is this what you think that the greatest messenger of Allah would have really done ?

Look and see at what you believe. Anything that you don't like, you avoid, so that you can continue to believe in what your puppet ancestors have taught you.

Kill Shias - Mashalla. Exactly what Muwayah and Yazid have taught you to do. When you could not resist killing the holy prophet's grandson, Imam Hussain (as), what difficulty do you all have in going into mosques and killing people during Fajr prayers.

Go back to sleep my brothers. You sunnis have no guts but to kill brothers behind their backs. Go kill Bukhari (lucky that he is dead) if you want to blame anyone regarding these hadiths. No shia has written them.

Its hadiths like these that have allowed you to achieve great countries like Afganistan - where women are treated as slaves.

Have you ever asked yourselves what purpose such filth serves in teaching the muslim ummah ? AND THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR GREATEST BOOKS. Boy, you guys are just too good.

And my apology was to my lord and his holy prophet - FOR WE REJECT ANY HADITHS THAT CONTRADICTS THE QUR'AN AND THE UN-EQUALLED, SINLESS QUALITIES OF OUR HOLY APOSTLE (PBUH).

But the again, you call it your Sahihs.

By the way, I see that you sunnis are unusually quiet about the other article showing Umar refusing to provide the holy prophet with something to write on - AGAINST THE MIGHTY MESSENGER'S DIRECT COMMAND.

But I'm sure you all will find some excuse for you Umar bin Khattab.

A few hours back, and the majority sunnis on this board refused to even believe in the existence of this hadith.

Just shows how knowledgeable you all really are.

And remember what Aisha has taught you. Next time you have semen on your clothes, just wipe it off and dive right into your prayers.

May Allah (swt) give you guidance.

Wa Salam.

I never knew this much hatred existed between muslims..

I have Shia friends, quite a few in fact and I am well aware of the differences. Does that mean we should stop praying together and never eat from the same plate?

Subhanallah

Well I am aware of presence of such narrations in the Sahihs and for your information these are collection of Ahadiths.

Whenever deducting teachings out of Ahadiths jurists consider a lot of things. There are levels of auntenticity of Ahadiths, a long discussion.

The point I want to raise is that once a shia friend of mine gave me a book written by one Allam Aseer Jarrvi on similar Ahadiths. This book was also aimed at maligning Ummul-momineen Hazrat Aisha (RA). Fortunately I had studied a similar book on both Sunni and Shia books on Ahadith by some Pervezi (a sect which doesn't consider Hadiths as part of Muslim jurispondence). That writer has mentioned many examples of Hadiths from Shia collection of Ahadith called as Usool-e-Kafi. When I showed these narrations (Ahadith) to my Shia friend he was literally stunned and had no answer to it. He was not an ordinary guy, he was a divisional level office-bearer of a Shia organisation and quite knowledgeable about his beliefs.

I got that book from my college Library, unfortunately I am not sure whether or not I would be able to get it again. The book was authored by Dr. Ghulam Jilani Barq.

So Ms. A1sha, go and read your Usool-e-Kaafi first.

Assalam-Alaikum,

I was just reading the Quran and found the following regarding Aisha (ra)

This is from Suran Al-Noor

[24:11]
11. Verily! Those who brought forth the slander (against 'Aishah radhiallahu'anhu the wife of the Prophet SAW) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you.

Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.

[24:12]
12. Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander) think good of their own people and say: "This (charge) is an obvious lie?"

[24:13]
13. Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they (the slanderers have not produced witnesses! Then with Allah they are the liars.

Remember, translations of the Quran are just that - translations.

CoolDude,
They wont even read or listen to Quran but goes on believing venom that is migrated through centuries. If they had only believed in Quran and not some tyrrants wrote hundreds of years after actual happenings, they might have got some sense. They even dont follow Hazrat Ali.

[This message has been edited by Degas (edited August 10, 2000).]

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Originally posted by Degas:
CoolDude,
They wont even read or listen to Quran but goes on believing venom that is migrated in their blood. If they had only believed in Quran and not some tyrrants wrote hundreds of years after actual happenings, they might have got some sense. They even dont follow Hazrat Ali.

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Before you say anything about my blood consider that I am a Syed, if that means anything to you.

As for writing hundreds of years after events please consider that your first Sahih was written by Bukhari who was a student of the Sixth Imam (AS) of the Shi'a. The philosophy of the Shi'a arose at the treaty of Hudabiya when the major split occured. The shi'a followed the scholl of thought that the prophet is infalliable whereas the sunni followed the school of thought that the prophet (SAW) is a normal human capable of making mistakes shown by Umar questioning the actions of the prophet. Please do not make idle comments and do not get personal as it does not help anyone towards the truth.


One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.

But do you agree with what the Quran says? Surely this wins over any hadith - sahih or not sahih.. right?

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Originally posted by CoolDude:
**But do you agree with what the Quran says? Surely this wins over any hadith - sahih or not sahih.. right?

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Salaam, My personal view is that if we can not say anything good about a person we should abstain from saying anything at all. As far as the verses from the Quran are concerned are they in relation to Hazrat Aisha??

What the Shi'a believe is that although the Quran contains everything it is not sufficient as there needs to be guidance on the interpretation of Quran. e.g. no where in Quran does it say that you should read this many rakats for this namaz. That comes from the prophet and after him, in our view, from the imams, the first of whom is Imam Ali (AS). So I will have to ask someone what our imams have said of these verses and then I can get back to you whether or not I believe they were revealed in relation to Hazrath Aisha as you have indicated..


One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.

Lamba Sahib I apologize for my unintentional eeror in english what I meant was knowledge not actual inheritance and I have changed my text above as u can see. But my personal belief is that the only thing that distinguishes I slam from other religions is equality and not birth. a person who converts today may be more closer to God than u or me. Its not family that counts its your deeds. Being some specific family doesnot give u any previledge to be above than others. I have seen people who convert lately r much better muslims than the one whose families converted long time back.

Lamba: You've got a point there. I looked at quite a few different translations of the quran before I posted the ayat.

I only found one which did not mention Aisha (ra) in the translation, this version had no comments in it what-so-ever.

The rest of the translations cannot be all wrong, as I believe that the circumstances revealed around that ayat were directed towards Aisah (ra).

I will have to look into this further, but if you have time, would you be able to look into this too?

Jazakallah

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**"Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah(dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." **(Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110) <-- this is a major part of shia's faith.

Mr Shah, if you had pinch of taqwa you would have gone through the BOOK by yourself and confirmed the Hadiths link by link, instead you just blindly put a link and numbers. The whole crap smells like something from the books written by your scholars.

keep bashing the pious companions and wives of the Holy Prophet(sa)... mind you one thing, you are not harming anyone, except your are gathering wood for your souls...

May allah bless you brothers.
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PS: Hadiths are the saying of the Holy Prophet(saw) and I don’t think Prophet of Allah can use such a disgraceful vocabulary. Definitely it has undergone some sort of human interference somewhere in time and space

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Originally posted by Degas:
Lamba Sahib I apologize for my unintentional eeror in english what I meant was knowledge not actual inheritance and I have changed my text above as u can see. But my personal belief is that the only thing that distinguishes I slam from other religions is equality and not birth. a person who converts today may be more closer to God than u or me. Its not family that counts its your deeds. Being some specific family doesnot give u any previledge to be above than others. I have seen people who convert lately r much better muslims than the one whose families converted long time back.
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Sir I did not say I was in anyway superior all I said is that you have no right to criticize anyone's blood line, especially not mine.

It is true that the new converts are for more practicinf as they have converted through understanding whereas alot of what we (me at least) do is through tradition. But the du'a is always to give me knowledge, understanding and faith.


One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.

CoolDude, I can make no promises as making is easy fulfilling is never totally within our control. All I can say is I will try. If I do not come back to you please email the Muhammadi Trust. [email protected] and they will do everything they can to answer any queries.


One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.