Disgraceful character of Aisha

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Originally posted by CoolDude:
**Lamba: You've got a point there. I looked at quite a few different translations of the quran before I posted the ayat.

I only found one which did not mention Aisha (ra) in the translation, this version had no comments in it what-so-ever.

The rest of the translations cannot be all wrong, as I believe that the circumstances revealed around that ayat were directed towards Aisah (ra).

I will have to look into this further, but if you have time, would you be able to look into this too?

Jazakallah**
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CoolDude bahi, you are absolutely right about the verse background, but it will be good on your part go through the book before you put anything in front of the world.

Anyways, its ok... I know you are cool cool person.. cheers...

Here is the actual incidence:

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“Verily, those who brought forth the lie are a party from among you. Think it not to be an evil for you; nay, it is good for you. Every one of them shall have his share of what he has earned of the sin; and he among them who took the chief part therein shall have a grievous punishment.

::: Background incidence of the verse :::

The extremely painful incident referred to in this verse took place when on the Holy Prophet's return from the expedition against Bani Muftaliq in 5 A.H., the Muslim army had to halt for the night at a place, a short distance from Medina. In this expedition the Holy Prophet was accompanied by his noble and talented wife, Aisha. As it happenedAisha went out some distance from the camp to attend to the call of nature. When she returned, she discovered that she had dropped her necklace somewhere. The necklace itself was of no great value, but as it was a loan from a friend Aisha went out again to search for it. On her return, to her great grief and mortification she found that the army had already marched away with the camel she was riding, her attendants supposing that she was in the litter as she was then very young and light of weight. In her helplessness she sat down and cried till sleep overpowered her. Safwan, a Muhajir, who was coming in the rear recognized her as he had seen her before the verse enjoining "purdah" was revealed and brought her on his camel to Medina, himself walking behind the animal (Bukhari, kitab al-Nikah). The Hypocrites of Medina, led by °Abdullah bin Ubayy bin Salul, were always on the look-out to create some mischief and cause distress to the Holy Prophet. They made capital out of this incident and spread a malicious scandal againstAisha and unfortunately some of the Muslims also became associated with it. `Aisha's innocence was at last established in the present and the following few verses of the Quran. Those who had taken part in fabricating and spreading the accusation were punished and injunctions were revealed effectively to deal with scandal-mongers and their evil designs and activities.

The words "who took the chief part," are understood to refer to `Abdullah bin Ubayy, the leader of the Hypocrites of Medina, who had invented the lie and gave it wide publicity. He died an ignominious death, frustrated in all his designs against Islam and in his ambition and aspiration to become the crowned king of Medina.

The words, "think it not to be an evil for you, nay it is good for you," signify that the incident contained a great lesson for the Muslims. They were warned to be on their guard against falling a victim to the machinations of scandal-mongers and against accusing Muslim men and women of crimes of which they were quite innocent.

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PS: I just ocr this topic and dont have time to review it, so please if you find any any spell mistake, ignore it. thankx

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Thanks for the correction!

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Muslims, regardless of their sectarian beliefs, should always remember & praise the Companions/Sahabas for their good work, particularly Hazrat Abu Bakr(ra) for his work for Islam and his assistance & service rendered to our Prophet (saw).

[This message has been edited by logical (edited August 10, 2000).]

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I object to headings like these. There r people here who object when something is said about their famoilies but not when something bad is said about Prphet Muhammads wives?

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Originally posted by Degas:
I object to headings like these. There r people here who object when something is said about their famoilies but not when something bad is said about Prphet Muhammads wives?
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Salaam,

Sir as you have yourself stated the one thing distinguishing Islam is equlaity. No right by birth or by who you are related to. However I do agree that we should show more respect to Hazrat Ayesha as even after The battle of the Camel when Hazrat Ayesha's army was defeated imam Ali (AS) sent her back to Madina with full privalages of the wife of the prophet.

What we would like to be discussing is difference in our Aqeeda's rather than certain personalities however these personalities seem to be the cause of many difference in aqeeda and it is very important that we discuss them so that the root can be reached of differences. But to repeat i do agree we could use a bit more tact.

One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.

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Lamba,
As u have mentioned imam Ali did something positive then why dont u follow him and not try to slander about a person by putting those headings. Did Imam Ali slander her? noway then leave whatever Hazrat Ayesha did to be judged at judgement time. U seem to have a logic than venom that a11shah is spreading here, and I respect that.

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Degas,

Are you or the sunnis innocent of not slandering the shia beliefs? Maybe, you have just woken up to the fact that 'what goes round comes around'!

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I am not accountable for any other person than me at the day hereafter. If someone does a wrong that does not mean do the same to the person. Two wrongs dont make it right.One would only pay what the person sows. I have never heard or tried to hear slander against any of Prophets family. There may be a very small minority on both sides of the camp. Dont follow them. I have many relatives and friends as shia but thank God they r not so mislead. dont believe these people have any religion than hate.

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mr11Shah or whatever you can tell by your agression & attack mode like other shia you are more hostile towards sunni or whatever moslem than ,kafir who worship idols or christians who dont BELIEVE in MOHOMMED about whom you are voceferously differing on minor historical difference of account.Tell me is a moslem who believes in mohommed but agrees that omar didnt do any thing wrong ,is he atleast better than rest of the world that denies your religion altogether.So next time dont go running to kafir ,india about differences with us or to the west about horror story of how moslems are bad towards shia b/c mr.11 Shah no body in the world is more close to you than moslems & less you increase the number of points of differences the better for all of us.
Its like we forget that we are the same tree & one branch is foolishly working to cut the tree total b/c your mulla want a separate platform of shia ,seperate mosque,sepertate holiday,seperate everthing like pakistan was carved out of india,Some time i wonder was it the shia in jinnah which had so much seperateness isolationist embedded in this schism that caused partition or atleast formation of moslem league??i may be wrong but this shia difference bs needs to be MINMISED & not accentuated by two consecutive threads on the same forum!!

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mr11Shah or whatever you can tell by your agression & attack mode like other shia you are more hostile towards sunni or whatever moslem than ,kafir who worship idols or christians who dont BELIEVE in MOHOMMED about whom you are voceferously differing on minor historical difference of account.Tell me is a moslem who believes in mohommed but agrees that omar didnt do any thing wrong ,is he atleast better than rest of the world that denies your religion altogether.So next time dont go running to kafir ,india about differences with us or to the west about horror story of how moslems are bad towards shia b/c mr.11 Shah no body in the world is more close to you than moslems & less you increase the number of points of differences the better for all of us.
Its like we forget that we are the same tree & one branch is foolishly working to cut the tree total b/c your mulla want a separate platform of shia ,seperate mosque,sepertate holiday,seperate everthing like pakistan was carved out of india,Some time i wonder was it the shia in jinnah which had so much seperateness isolationist embedded in this schism that caused partition or atleast formation of moslem league??i may be wrong but this shia difference bs needs to be MINMISED & not accentuated by two consecutive threads on the same forum!!

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Sanam;

I apologize if I sound harsh. That is not my intention. Sunnis and Shias are brothers. I am all for that.

Pls take time to read the following:

A'YESHA GRIEVED THE HOLY PROPHET

The fact that A'yesha grieved the Holy Prophet is not only related by Shia ulema, but by your own
eminent ulema. Imam Ghazali in his 'Ihya'u'l-Ulum, vol. II, ch. 3, Kitab-e-Adabu'n-Nika, p. 135,
has reported many hadith condemning A'yesha's conduct. Among them is her quarreling with the
Holy Prophet and Abu Bakr's intervention. This event is also narrated by Mulla Ali Muttaqi in
Kanzu'l-Ummal, vol. VII, p. 116; Abu Yala in his Musnad and Abu'sh-Sheikh in his
Kitab-e-Amthal. They write that when Abu Bakr went to see his daughter, he found that there was
a grievance between A'yesha and the Holy Prophet. The decision was left in Abu Bakr's hands.
A'yesha used insulting language in her remarks. In the course of her conversation, she asked the
Holy Prophet to be fair in his attitude. This insolent remark made Abu Bakr so indignant that he
slapped her so severely in her face that blood flowed down her clothes.

Also Imam Ghazali in the same Chapter on Marriage and others, too, have narrated that once,
when Abu Bakr reached his daughter's house, he found that the Holy Prophet was displeased with
A'yesha. He asked them to tell him what was the cause of their grievance so that he might bring
about reconciliation. The Holy Prophet asked A'yesha if she should begin telling it. She replied,
'You may begin but you should speak the truth.' In her next sentence she added, 'You are a man
who really thinks himself to be a Prophet!'

These remarks show that A'yesha did not believe that the Holy Prophet was the divinely
appointed Prophet. Such degrading remarks are reported in your books in large numbers. They
were the cause of great anguish to the Holy Prophet.

      NO SUCH REPORTS ABOUT OTHER 

         WIVES OF THE HOLY PROPHET

You will note that the ulema and historians of both the sects have not recorded such things about
the other wives of the Holy Prophet. They have not attributed such things even to Hafsa, daughter
of Umar. It was only A'yesha's behavior which led to her indignity. We related only as much as
your prominent ulema have said about her. Have you not studied Imam Ghazali's books, the
histories by Tabari, Mas'udi and Ibn A'tham Kufi etc. which report that all your eminent ulema
have described her as disobedient to the Holy Prophet. Still, you complain because I have
criticized Ummu'l-Mu'minin's conduct. Can there be any clearer blot on one's character than
transgression against the order of Allah and His Prophet and revolution against the Caliph of the
Holy Prophet?

In the sura of al-Ahzab (The Clans), Allah has addressed the wives of the Holy Prophet: "And
stay in your houses and display not your finery like the display of the ignorance of yore." (33:33)

Of course the other wives of the Holy Prophet complied with this order and never left their
houses without an urgent reason. Even A'mash has reported this fact.

      UMMU'L-MU'MININ SUDA DID NOT 

       GO OUT EVEN FOR HAJJ OR UMRA

It is reported in the Sahih and other books of your traditionists and historians that people asked
Suda, wife of the Holy Prophet, why did she not perform the Hajj and the Umra. She replied, "It
is compulsory for me to perform one Hajj and Umra and no more. And He says: 'And stay in your
houses.' So in obedience to this command, I shall not go out of my house; rather, my intention is
that I will not, as far as possible, go out of the room in which the Holy Prophet of Allah had
placed me until I die." In fact she did this and it was her dead body which was taken out of the
room.

Suda, A'yesha, and Umme Salma, were wives of the Holy Prophet and were mothers of the
believers. Of course they differ from one another because of their conduct.

According to the community, A'yesha and Hafsa are worthy of respect, not because they were the
daughters of Abu Bakr and Umar, though you respect them on that score, but because they were
the wives of the Holy Prophet. But the wives of the Holy Prophet deserve honor when they are
devout, as it is clearly stated in the Holy Qur'an. "O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any of
the other women." (33:32)

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[quote]
Originally posted by a1shah:
**Brother Fakri;

You have made the very point that I have attempted to provoke out of my sunni brothers.

If you know of the Ahl Sunnat teachings, the sahih books are authentic. They are supposed to be taken as the truth after the Qur'an.

YOU FELT HURT TO KNOW THAT YOUR MOTHER OF BELIEVERS, AISHA COULD BE A JEALOUS WOMAN. Well, it is stated by her and written by your great Bukhari. You chose not to believe it, saying that the Qur'an is enough. YOU HAVE THUS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT NOT ALL OF THE HADITHS IN THE SAHIHS ARE truthful.

You sunnis do not even accept your own books to be authentic but you still label them as sahihs. So don't use the sahihs to boast of the greatness of your sham sahabahs when in fact they were nothing but munafiqs.

By the way, you should believe in the corrupt character of Aisha. A woman who was always jealous, and who led a bloody war against the holy Imam, killing thousands of muslims in the process.

And what did she achieve ? She fell in a pile of camel dung in the battle of siffin. AND YOU PRAISE SUCH A WOMAN.

Why don't you all go to prayers with semen stains as well. Is this what you think that the greatest messenger of Allah would have really done ?

Look and see at what you believe. Anything that you don't like, you avoid, so that you can continue to believe in what your puppet ancestors have taught you.

Kill Shias - Mashalla. Exactly what Muwayah and Yazid have taught you to do. When you could not resist killing the holy prophet's grandson, Imam Hussain (as), what difficulty do you all have in going into mosques and killing people during Fajr prayers.

Go back to sleep my brothers. You sunnis have no guts but to kill brothers behind their backs. Go kill Bukhari (lucky that he is dead) if you want to blame anyone regarding these hadiths. No shia has written them.

Its hadiths like these that have allowed you to achieve great countries like Afganistan - where women are treated as slaves.

Have you ever asked yourselves what purpose such filth serves in teaching the muslim ummah ? AND THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR GREATEST BOOKS. Boy, you guys are just too good.

And my apology was to my lord and his holy prophet - FOR WE REJECT ANY HADITHS THAT CONTRADICTS THE QUR'AN AND THE UN-EQUALLED, SINLESS QUALITIES OF OUR HOLY APOSTLE (PBUH).

But the again, you call it your Sahihs.

By the way, I see that you sunnis are unusually quiet about the other article showing Umar refusing to provide the holy prophet with something to write on - AGAINST THE MIGHTY MESSENGER'S DIRECT COMMAND.

But I'm sure you all will find some excuse for you Umar bin Khattab.

A few hours back, and the majority sunnis on this board refused to even believe in the existence of this hadith.

Just shows how knowledgeable you all really are.

And remember what Aisha has taught you. Next time you have semen on your clothes, just wipe it off and dive right into your prayers.

May Allah (swt) give you guidance.

Wa Salam.**
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Please don't call me "brother" as my name is Fakhira Butt and I don't like to be your sister either!

Muslims are advised by Quran "to be united and to refrain from sectarianism" (wa'tasaimo bihabal 'lilla'he jamee'aa wa la tafarraqoo). Those who spend their time in searching stories from the so called "Sahees" or the books other than Quran only cause fuss and consequently creat unrest.

I tried to express my views in good faith without having any grudge for "Shias" or "Sunnis". I believe:

That Quraan is available with us in the pure form as it had been revelaed to Mohammad (PBUH).

Mohammed (PBUH) gave us only Quran as the last testomony from the God Almighty. The human society will never ever require any other social code after this book so the prophethood is ended.

I dont believe there were any differences or lack of respect between the "companions" of Mohammed (PBUH) but they were kind towards each other.

To me, Ali is as respectable as Omar and Aisha is as respectable as Khadija.

The whole sectarian venom is poured into the blood of Muslim Ummah is due to lack of knowledge about our holy book Quran which is 'replaced' by different other books.

The sole way to be united and to restore a real Muslim society is to be centralized ourselves to Quran and to delete all the "fussy" stories out of the other works of different Muslim authors.

It is high time to decide and declare "HASABNA KITAB ALLAH" (To us the Allah Book is enough)!

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Originally posted by CoolDude:
**Assalam-Alaikum,

I was just reading the Quran and found the following regarding Aisha (ra)

This is from Suran Al-Noor

[24:11]
11. Verily! Those who brought forth the slander (against 'Aishah radhiallahu'anhu the wife of the Prophet SAW) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you.

Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.

[24:12]
12. Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander) think good of their own people and say: "This (charge) is an obvious lie?"

[24:13]
13. Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they (the slanderers have not produced witnesses! Then with Allah they are the liars.

Remember, translations of the Quran are just that - translations. **
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CoolDude! What a name and what a choice to talk about such a serious stuff!

I do praise, despite your funny name, you still have warmth somewher in your heart to denfend you belief! But how can you possibly prove that the Quranic wording you selected from Sura NOOR has any connection with Mother Aisha Siddiqa?

You are requested to go through the same portion of the holy Quran once again. If you have some knowledge of Arabic then check if any reference could be found that the revelation is for/about Aisha Siddiqa.

I take liberty to point out a very important mistake we Muslims are "taught" to make. The revelations of Quran are not for a particular or personal matter but these are in general for the good of whole mankind!

I don't believe in the theory of "Shaan-e-Nazool". What my fiath is , the whole revelation was programmed by the God Almighty as per HIS schedule. No portion of the whole book is ever revealed to make some "sudden" clarifications.

From today onward, its my sincerest suggestion to you, to disregard the stories that you find as "Tafseer" in the side columns of Quran. Then you shall dicover that all the confusions are actually not part of the revelations but the brain-childs of various "Mufassirs"!

May Allah help us to have the right approach!

Please dont regard it as an argument but just a suggestion from a fellow Muslim!

I am ,
Sophia Mujahid