Jins are mentioned in Quran countless time, but there is nothing about jins either in Christianity or in Jewish religion. However, most Christians and Jews believe in spirits. So, my question is are jins, ghosts and spirits same, if not what is the diff.?
Also, was Iblis (shaitan) jin or an angle? From what I understand angles do not have free will like humans and jins, and if Iblis was an angle how how did he refuse to do sajada before hazraat Adam-ale-salaam?
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Jins are mentioned in Quran countless time, but there is nothing about jins either in Christianity or in Jewish religion. However, most Christians and Jews believe in spirits. So, my question is are jins, ghosts and spirits same, if not what is the diff.?
Also, was Iblis (shaitan) jin or an angle? From what I understand angles do not have free will like humans and jins, and if Iblis was an angle how how did he refuse to do sajada before hazraat Adam-ale-salaam?
No, iblees was from the jins, and jins like humans have the ability to choose... thats why he (iblees) let his arrogance get in the way when told to do sajda infront of Adam (A.S)
Wassalam
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Jins are mentioned in Quran countless time, but there is nothing about jins either in Christianity or in Jewish religion. However, most Christians and Jews believe in spirits. So, my question is are jins, ghosts and spirits same, if not what is the diff.?
Also, was Iblis (shaitan) jin or an angle? From what I understand angles do not have free will like humans and jins, and if Iblis was an angle how how did he refuse to do sajada before hazraat Adam-ale-salaam?
Chisrstians do believe in demonds... Things like Poltergeist are very similar to Jins I suppose..
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Chisrstians do believe in demonds... Things like Poltergeist are very similar to Jins I suppose..
do the christians believe in good poltergeists and bad poltergeists as well?
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Poltergeist by nature are thought to be simply mischievious... Sometimes they say they can be harmless, other times they can be threatening... I guess that is also very much like the discription of a jin, who are described as either harmless mischief makers or downright threatening.
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No, iblees was from the jins, and jins like humans have the ability to choose... thats why he (iblees) let his arrogance get in the way when told to do sajda infront of Adam (A.S)
Wassalam
That is what I thought, but I think its common belief that he was an angle, and not a jin. Also, why are jins invisible to humans, but they can see humans?
BTW, what is the concept of "Holly Ghost" in Christianity? Is "Holly Ghost" roue (soul/spirit) of Hazra Issa (SW)?
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Iblees was/is/and will remain a Jinn. He was and is "not an angel" OR was not "angel at first and then turned into Jinn". *There is misconception among us where some of us think that he used to be an angel and then turned into Jinn. In arabic, there is a gramatical rule called *"Taghleeb" where if you have the majority of people present, you do not need to mention the minority. Similar is also present is Spanish as well. For example, if you have 3 boys and 1 girl present, you would go with the majortiy and call them ellos in spanish and not 3 ellos and 1 ella. In a similar manner, Allah refers to angels in the Quran where Iblees is also present. Angels are majority in number, hence, Iblees does not need to be mentioned exclusively.
As for others such as ghost, churails, etc etc, I do not believe in it and only believe in Jinn because that is what is mentioned in Quran and Ahadith. A whole surah called Al-Jinn is present in Quran so that is a reality and that is what I believe. When I come across something that tells us there are things like churails as well, then I'll think about it believing it but as of now, we only know of Jinns.
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Iblees was/is/and will remain a Jinn. He was and is "not an angel" OR
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In my humble opinion Spirits are diff than the Jinns, Spirit belongs to the Human, Our bodies are a loaner to our Spirits. on The Day of Judgement it will be our Spirit that will be Judged, and the body parts will verify the good deeds and the bad deeds for us. It is the Spirit that resides in the Alam-e-Barzakh, the body stays in the grave and eventaully becomes part of the soil.
Christianity does speak of the Jinns often, and they refer to them as the "Djinn", and is not a significant being in their religion ( observed while talking to diff church ppl and missionaries) Christians do know of Prophet Sulaiman (pbuh) being a ruler , but do not exactly know that Prophet Sulaiman (pbuh) was the ruler over the Jinns. Jinns are 2 dimensional and thus are not visible to Human eyes, (humans are 3 dimensional)
On the day of Judgement all will be Judged, The Humans, the Jinns and the Animals. ( Insaan, Jinn & Haivan respectively for transgressing thier limits....as quoted in shaikh Awalaki's lecture of "The Day of Judgement.)
"...and Allah swt knows best , cause he is all The All knower. "
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Iblees has been a JINN for ever, he was one of the best Jinns from the Team of the jinns of Allah swt, at that time for he was sent to earth many a times to fight the Bad Jinns who were causing mischief on the Earth. ...But he transgressed and was on Allah swt bad list.
"...and Allah swt knows best , cause he is all The All knower. "
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:salam:
I did a series of interfaith dialogue threads with OldMan a year back. You can read it if you want to (we had some very nice discussion throughout the whole series of threads):
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=236493&highlight=interfaith+dialogue
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Christianity does speak of the Jinns often, and they refer to them as the "Djinn", and is not a significant being in their religion
Christianity does NOT speak of Jinns AT ALL and does not recognize any such beings.
Judaism and Christianity understand Satan to have been an angle (as all demons of today) who have rebelled against God and are now ALL called "demons" in order to differentiate tham from obedient angels.
Christianity only recognise four major kinds of beings (only ones being taught in Bible and discussion of any other would be theorising without any proof): God Almighty, angels (including cherubim etc), animals and humans.
The link provided by USResident detail the differences between Islam and Christianity on this issue very clear, I think.
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In a similar manner, Allah refers to angels in the Quran where Iblees is also present. Angels are majority in number, hence, Iblees does not need to be mentioned exclusively.
Thanks for the explanation.
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Christianity does NOT speak of Jinns AT ALL and does not recognize any such beings.
Judaism and Christianity understand Satan to have been an angle (as all demons of today) who have rebelled against God and are now ALL called "demons" in order to differentiate tham from obedient angels.
Christianity only recognise four major kinds of beings (only ones being taught in Bible and discussion of any other would be theorising without any proof): God Almighty, angels (including cherubim etc), animals and humans.
So there is no concept of the spirit world i.e. like in Islam it known as Alam-i-arwah?
Then which of the four categories does the "Holy Spirit" belong in?
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So there is no concept of the spirit world i.e. like in Islam it known as Alam-i-arwah?
Then which of the four categories does the "Holy Spirit" belong in?
Peace SindSagar
According to Christianity Holy Spirit is in the God category, audzubillah, but Islam put Ar-Ruh specifically into the Angel category.
Perhaps in the links that have already been provided there is a distinction between nature and characteristic.
Nature is angel characteristic is angelic
But sometimes if characteristic is angelic the nature may be human or jinn.
As described earlier Iblis was not singled out when the angels were referred to as a group. He was also appointed as the head of the angels, which means he forms as part of the group of angels by status rather than by nature.
The Old Man may have missed out another category that is in the Bible which is not consistent with Islam ... the giants or Nephilim. According to Islam the giants were human races, I believe this is not the case in Christianity. (Genesis Chapter 6)
The word Djinn is a romanticised word taken from Islamic and Arabic literature, it doesn't originate in Christianity.
Demons as related in the Bible can be considered equivalent to evil Jinn by Muslims.
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From email...
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The jinn are said to be creatures with free will, made from 'smokeless fire' by God (the literal translation being “subtle fire”, i.e., a fire which does not give itself away through smoke), much in the same way humans were made of earth. According to the Recitation, jinn have free choice, and Iblis used this freedom in front of God by refusing to bow to Adam when God told Iblis to do so. By refusing to obey God’s order he was thrown out of the Paradise and called “Shaitan” (See Shaitan). In the Qur'an, jinn are frequently mentioned and Sura 72 of the Qur'an named Al-Jinn is entirely about them. Another Sura (Al-Naas) mentions the Jinn in the last verse. In fact, it is mentioned in the Qur'an that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both “humanity and the jinn”.
The jinn have communities much like human societies: they eat, marry, die, etc. They live in tribes and have boundaries. They follow religions as humans do, and follow the same ranks in armies as humans do. Jinns can settle in a vast area to a tiny hole, as they are massless and can be fit into any space they find sufficient for them. They are invisible to humans, but they can see humans. Sometimes they accidentally or deliberately come into view or into contact with humans. Jinn are believed to live much longer than humans: some of whom are said to be still alive having seen Muhammad (who lived during the 7th century), which would affirm their long life. Much like humans, jinn have learned to assimilate into the human world when they desire to do so. In many cases they live unnoticed among people marked only by the rather unusual or somewhat secretive practises they keep. They cannot breed with humans. Jinn can transform themselves into humans and can be summoned by humans.
Humans attempting to perform black magic on humans call Jinn specializing in dirty deeds to perform the magic; such black magic on humans can only be undertaken by dark Jinn - “Ifrit” or “Marid”. In many countries there are people who perform or supposedly perform black magic (usually for cursing other people, or using jinns to influence a marriage to end in divorce, etc) in exchange for money. Thus, a person often pays a magician, who then calls upon a dark jinn, who then performs the magic, at least supposedly. These acts are considered haraam in Islam.
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Br. Psyah where did you come about with this information about Jinn being a romanticised word, I would be interested in reading further about it. Would this sort of mean that the good Jinn in Islam are similar to Angels in Christianity but only those in characteristic but not nature.
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The Old Man may have missed out another category that is in the Bible which is not consistent with Islam ... the giants or Nephilim. According to Islam the giants were human races, I believe this is not the case in Christianity. (Genesis Chapter 6)
The giants referred to form part of the human segment.
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Angels and jinns do not sound as if they are the same beings.
In Christianity, angels are attendents to God or even mesengers. They live in heaven (although they can come to earth). They don't marry or have children. Scripture describes angels as spirit beings. Their form is never described but they do not have physical form like humans, unless they appear before humans. When they do appear to humans, it is intentional and they appear as men.
Angels are a different creation than humans and are the highest creation in heaven while humans are te highest creation on earth.