Differences between Pakistanis and Indians

Differences between Pakistanis and Indians

**Language/linguistics: **

About 75% of languages spoken in Pakistan are Indo-Aryan and 24%
are Iranian, both part of the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European
family of languages. All languages of Pakistan are written in the
Perso-Arabic script, with significant vocabulary derived from Arabic
and Persian. Punjabi, Seraiki, Sindhi, Pashto, Urdu, Balochi,
Kashmiri, etc. are the languages spoken in Pakistan.

About 70% of languages spoken in India are Indo-Aryan, 25% are
Dravidian, and 5% are Sino-Tibetan and Austro-Asiatic, all distinct
family of languages. Most languages in India are written in Brahmi-
derived scripts such as Devangari, Gurmukhi, Tamil, etc. Hindi,
Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Assamese,
Punjabi, and many others are the mother-tongue languages spoken in
each of India’s states.

As you can see both countries have distinct linguistic identities.
Even in the case of Punjabi, while it is the mother-tongue of a
majority in Pakistan, it represents the mother-tongue of only 2%
Indians. Besides, Pakistani Punjabi (Western Punjabi) is distinct in
its vocabulary/dialect and writing script when compared to Indian
Punjabi (Eastern Punjabi). Another thing to keep in mind is that
Indian Punjabi is mostly spoken by Sikhs who consider themselves
distinct from the rest of Indians and had been fighting for
independence. In the case of Urdu/Hindi, while Hindi is the mother-
tongue of a majority in India, Urdu is the mother-tongue of only 8%
Pakistanis. Besides, they both are distinct languages, Urdu has a
writing script and strong vocabulary derived from Arabic and
Persian, whereas Hindi has strong vocabulary derived from Sanskrit
and is written in Devangari script. Most Pakistanis can understand
English and watch American/Brit movies but that does not make them
British/American, same is the case with Hindi.

**Race/genetics: **

About 65% of Pakistanis are Caucasoid by race, 23% Australoid-
Negroid, and 12% Mongoloid in their overall genetic composition.
Majority of Pakistanis are tall with fair skin complexion, similar
to Middle Eastern and Mediterranean peoples. Majority are brunettes,
with occasional green/gray/hazel eyes and brown hair colors, thin
and long noses, etc. While the racial features of each ethnic group
are not uniform, Pashtuns are the most Caucasoid, followed by
Kashmiris, Baluchis, north Punjabis, and then Sindhis, Seraikis,
Urdu-speakers, etc. The Australoid-Negroid and Mongoloid racial
elements are quite infused within the dominant Caucasoid genes among
Pakistanis, however there are some that have retained their
uniqueness.

About 50% of Indians are Australoid-Negroid by race, 35% Caucasoid,
and 15% Mongoloid in their overall genetic composition. Majority of
Indians are darker in their skin complexion, with wider noses,
shorter heights, etc. The Australoid-Dravidoid racial element
dominates among the lower caste Indians, South Indians, Eastern and
Central Indians, etc. The Caucasoid racial element dominates in
Northwest Indians and higher caste Indians. The Mongoloid racial
element dominates in Northeast Indians and border regions with
China.

Obviously, both countries have distinct racial identities. A common
international perception based on observance of physical features is
that most Pakistanis are lighter skinned than most Indians. Most
Pakistanis resemble the looks of peoples inhabiting on its western
borders and beyond. Indeed, many Pakistanis also resemble many
Northwest Indians or higher caste Indians, but those are a minority
in India. Similarly, a few people of Pakistan resemble peoples of
South India, lower caste Indians, Northeast India, etc. but they are
a minority in Pakistan. And besides, let’s say, if some Saudis look
similar to the French that does not make them one people, same
applies here between Indians and Pakistanis.

**Culture/Traditions: **

Pakistanis have a distinct culture, traditions and customs. Shalwar
kamiz is the dress commonly worn, both by men and women in Pakistan.
Pakistani food is rich in meat (including beef), whereas wheat is
the main staple. Pashto, Punjabi, Balochi, Sindhi, etc. music and
dances are distinctly unique with their own melodies, instruments,
patterns and styles. Pakistani arts in metal work, tiles, furniture,
rugs, designs/paintings, literature, calligraphy, etc. are distinct
and diverse. Pakistani architecture is unique with its Islamic
styles. The manners and lifestyles are guided by a blend of Islam
and local traditions.

India’s commonly worn dress is dhoti for men and sari for women.
Indian food is mostly vegetarian, with wheat as the main staple in
the north and west, and rice is the main staple in south and east.
Hindi, Gujarati, Tamil, Bengali, etc. music and dances are
distinctly unique. So are Indian arts in the many areas. Indian
architecture is unique in its mostly Hindu styles. The manners and
lifestyles of most Indians are guided by Hinduism.

Pakistanis and Indians definitely have distinct cultures of their
own. Some Indian women wear shalwar kamiz, but that was introduced
by the ancestors of Pakistanis. Many Pakistani food dishes are
absent in Indian cuisine and vice versa, and if some dishes are
shared, they were also introduced by the ancestors of Pakistanis
(like naan, tikka, kabob, biryani/pulao, etc.). There is barely any
Hindu architectural influence in Pakistan (Gandhara is Graeco-
Buddhist and Harappan is distinct), but significant influences by
the ancestors of Pakistanis can be found in India. The lives of most
Pakistanis are shaped by Islam, whereas the lives of most Indians
are shaped by Hinduism.

**History/background: **

Pakistanis are a blend of their Harappan, Aryan, Persian, Greek,
Saka, Parthian, Kushan, White Hun, Arab, Turkic, Afghan, and Mughal
heritage. Waves of invaders and migrants settled down in Pakistan
through out the centuries, influencing the locals and being absorbed
among them.

Most Indians are a blend of their heritage of Dravidoid-Australoid
hunters and gatherers, and Aryans (in north). Northwest Indians have
a heritage from Harappans, Aryans, Sakas, and White Huns. Northeast
Indians have a heritage based from Mongoloid hunters and gatherers.
Also, Turks, Afghans and Mughals ruled north India for centuries.

Pakistan and India have a distinct history and background. The
region of Pakistan was never part of India except for 500+ years
under the Muslims, and 100 years each under the Mauryans and the
British. If any thing, it were the ancestors of Pakistanis who colonized
north/northwest India, among them were Harappans, Aryans, Sakas,
Kushans, White Huns, Turks, Afghans, and Mughals.

**Geography: **

Pakistan is geographically unique, with Indus river and its
tributaries as its main water supply. It is bordered by the Hindu
Kush and Sulaiman Mountain ranges in the west, Karakoram mountain
range in the north, Sutlej river and Thar desert in east, and
Arabian Sea in the south. The country in its present form was
created by the Pakistanis themselves out of the British Raj, the
Indus people themselves who are now mostly Muslims.

India is geographically unique, with Ganges river and its
tributaries as its water supply in the north, and other river
systems in the rest of the country. Himalayas as its northern
boundary, Sutlej river and Thar desert as its western border, the
jungles of northeast as its eastern border, and Indian Ocean in the
south. The mountains in the central-south India are the great divide
between Dravidians of the south and Indo-Aryans of the north. The
country itself was created by the British, a direct descendent of
the remnants of British Raj.

It is evident that India and Pakistan have their own unique
geographical environments. Pakistan is located at the crossroads of
South Asia, Central Asia, and the Middle East. On the other hand,
India is located at the core of South Asia.

If you understand Islam well, than it is clear that religion is the single most important factor that differentiates Muslims from others.

^ And therefore they cannot share ties with others?

so why pakistan did not merge with trukey ,central asia or iran atleast on the basis of religen .

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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
so why pakistan did not merge with trukey ,central asia or iran atleast on the basis of religen .
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Time will tell... It will!

Who knew even in his dreams that a country called Pakistan - the only ideological Muslim state, would emerge from the ashes of the Moghul empire?

Man, what is wrong?! What is all this "I resemble the french more than the indians" stuff?

I wish I had as much pure arab blood (guarenteed jannat) like all the my brave army general heros. I am but just a hindi muslim.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
I wish I had as much pure arab blood (guarenteed jannat) like all the my brave army general heros. I am but just a hindi muslim.
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Thats why you MUST pack and head for the land of milk and honey you will feel right at home..... May I suggest a nice holiday resort?

Pakestan didn't merge with anyother Muslim country because people who settled there eventually fell in love with aspects of Indian culture! - don't you get it - that's the tragedy.

Pakestan could not "go all the way" in its liberation.

(1) After settling in Hind, many Muslims started becoming lax and instead of successfully trying to preserve an identity of their own - they started mixing, matching and experimenting with devastating consequences! Hence things totally alien in Islam like dwory (where a woman/woman's family "pays" a guy or guy's family for what I don't know!) have become deeply entrenched.
Here in Dubai (and the vast majority of other Muslim countries and North West Pakistan), the groom has to pay the Mehar to the wife. Thus many of us guys (who don't have oilfieds! :) are stressed at times as young men because we have to try to save money for mehar.
Of course, Islam = justice but at times humans err and sometimes women (or increasingly their greedy parents) try to arrange marriages where mehar is maximized!
But it's not like typical Pakestan where so many men shamelessly ask women for money. Did anyone force Pakestan to adopt this practice over the years? Did all these people who replied to Isloo pause to think where this practice has come from? - take one wild guess you hindi-movie addicted people!!!

(2) Slowly over time all these alien practices found root in the hearts and minds of people. Now this is very very dangerous because slowly the whole concept of right/wrong does not remain intact - you err but you think you are right! I know we Arabs also face ups and downs and today we also do things that go against Islam - but there is a slight difference - ask any Arab whether drinking or adultery is right ? or "his own business in the "modern world" and he will say that it is WRONG - but that he will go to hell for it if he'll still persist in it.
But ask someone in Pakestan to stop this abominable practice of pressuring women and their family for money (despite claiming to be a real man and the head of a household) and you'll hear things like:
"O jee nay jee nay - humnay toe beradaree may naak nahi katwanee"
- many don't even know that it is wrong!
Now this is one example - when you accumulate all these things in a society which is still Muslim, tensions emerge and there is chaos.

So please try to be more self-reflective before you drown in the love of a piece of land based on traditional, cultural, ethnical or linguistic dimensions. Try to remember all the sacrifices before the world map changed forever (to the astonishment of many) in 1947!

Isloo, well done - you are so right - Indians were historically vegetarians and it was Muslims who introduced carnivorous diets to that part of the world - and now ALL Indians say that tandoori chicken, etc. is an Indian dish and that Pakestan copied it from them (just because Pakestan is smaller in size and influence in the world today!).

Also, had Muslims been upto the task then Pakestan today would have been much bigger and influential - but again "ayaash" lifestyles when they ruled Hind for 1,000+ years led them to this.

Gulp! speaking of ayaash lifestyles - i know, i know , Arabians are indulging in it today - but why not help eachother and learn from eachother through healthy criticism - instead of feeling slighted or closing our hearts and minds for worldly things! When we die, we'll neither take the oilfields or the Indus River with us - so let's try to live an honest life and learn to call a spade a spade.

I know many of you don't think much of today's Arabs. But not all are passive, extravagant, and simpletons.
Similarly there is so much potential in Pakestan ( I have lived there briefly so I think I know) - did you Pakestan people know that some of Iqbal's works are taught in some courses in Egyptian and Sudanes universities today! So merit is not confied to Arabia or Pakestan but if I see something I feel is wrong, please don't just shut it outright.

Did you guys ever take a look at ANY Indian-syllabus text book that is taught to young boys and girls in school - just see what they think of Jinnah etc. and then try to (if you can find time from your hindi movies) see what Arabic text-books have to say about Iqbal, Jinnah, etc.

You have to stop being so naive - India looks out for its self-interest very well (including the Muslims there who are "secularized") - move on - look after your own self-interests - do want to be "stuck" with Hind indefinitely - yalla goom! (come on move!).
I am not anti-Indian but I am pro-Pakestan: I have lived there (although for a few months) and I just fell in love with the place!. In fact there is a Syrian man in Dubai who named his children after Muslim names of places in Pakestan. So many Arabs have been analyzing Pakestan and many want to genuinely help.

In fact I say that that the first citizen of Pakestan was Mohammed bin Qasim (after whom you have named Port Qasim in Karachi) - who's with me on this! .
You see if you want a country for the sake of a country or culture, then what was the point of your liberation in 1947? you could have had a bigger country with a lot more hindi movies, etc. if you stayed with Hind!!!

Anyways, no offence to anyone - these are just my views - true Islam cuts across ethnicities and language and culture - but I truly see a danger of a dilution of the Muslim identity through this cultural invasion from the east.

Matsui: perhaps you can confirm this: but I heard that one Indian prime minister once talked about invading every Pakestan home through Hind's media!!!

I am not saying don't do this or that - all I am saying is that just be a little more alert - kids in Pakestan are learning sanskrit vocabulary through Hind media. And by the way, one of my Hindi friends in Dubai told me that India has purposely increased the content of Sanskrit words recently in the movies. What purpose could it be? when we Arabs watch (not me but Arabs in general :) } them, we rely on the Arabic sub-titles. He also told me that the language of Hindi movies is not Hindi or Sanskrit but a language called "Hindustani" (a "deadly" cocktail of Hindi and Urdu!!!!) so stop loving yourself so much and smell the kahwa (coffee)!!!!!!

Choice is yours.

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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
Thats why you MUST pack and head for the land of milk and honey you will feel right at home..... May I suggest a nice holiday resort?
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Like I said, I will do that once you reutn back to the muslim ummah from the evil west.

Dear brother Imdad Ali,

your sarcastic remark is unwarranted.
But before you start presenting these stereo-typical views that all Arabs see Hindis as inferior, I have to correct you.

Muslims are Muslims no matter hindi, turki, Pakistan, Malaysian,................. But this is a Pakestan forum and so I have identified, what is in my mind, the biggest threat facing Pakestan - a dilution of the Moslem identity on account of cultural forces.

And just to get things in perspective: can you tell me how many inter Hindu-Muslim marriages take place in India everyday??
I have seen dozens of couples in Dubai (who are good friends of mine) - where the man is Muslim and the woman is hindu or the man is hindu and the woman is Muslim.
I am no Islamic scholar (despite my Arab blood! which incidentally is as red as yours and we are all children of Adam (pbuh)) - but I know that Muslims can't marry hindus so I asked them how they married. And they told me that in India, they can go to court and get married.
I mean we are all individuals who are free to do what we want but let's not change something out of our own whims.
Now this thing is unheard of in Pakestan - now a hindi man like you may agree with this - but you must understand that except for Hind this doesn't happen anywhere else (I mean it may but very rare) and u must also appreciate the views of the other 90% of Muslims who don't agree to it.
this is just one example my dear brother - so when I hear someone like the Imam of the Jami Masjid in Delhi criticizing Pakestan for being corrupt and making provocative statements like Pakestan should not underestimate the patriotic love Hindi muslims have for Hind, then I say to him - ya akhee you are being unreasonable - you can't stop hindu men from marrying Muslim women or Muslim men marrying hindu women (when any other scholar will tell you its not allowed in ISLAM - again individuals will do what they want but they shouldn't say Islam allows it!!!!) and you are discussing politics and belittling a Muslim country to please the majority in your country!!!!!

So Imdad akhee - this is what my perspective is ok.
I have repeatedly said that I have nothing against Indians; maybe I have become an unwanted spokesman for trying to present Pakistan an alternative solution but I , as a human being, have a right to express my views, especially in a Pakestan forum like this one!

PLUS I AM NOT RASCIST - as you are trying to imply - discriminating on the basis of nationality, colour, ethnicity is haram in Islam. But being alert to potential dangers is expected from a Muslim like you and me.

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*Originally posted by El Turki: *
Indians were historically vegetarians and it was Muslims who introduced carnivorous diets to that part of the world - and now ALL Indians say that tandoori chicken, etc. is an Indian dish and that Pakestan copied it from them (just because Pakestan is smaller in size and influence in the world today!).

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Note -- not all Indians were vegetarians. Are you saying Muslims invented Tandoori chicken? Besides, whenever it was invented, I don't think Pakistan existed, so yeah, it's an Indian dish.

Don't forget that it wasn't just that Muslims settled in the subcontinent. Many of the indigenous peoples converted. Both the settlers and the indigenous people will have strong connections to the others in the region.

Also, what's wrong with learning sanskrit?

Salam to all,

Sahar: the point is not who invented what dish! the point is Hind's intentions when it comes to Pakestan.

Also, if Pakestan people don't speak Sanskrit and fail to establish an identity of their own, (as was their intention a few years ago) - then chances are that Pakestan's identity will be totally diluted if the 140 odd million started speaking Sanskrit.

You probably don't know this but Egyptians were not "Arabs" (not in rascist way but in language). Neither was Libya, Algeria, Tunisia - but today they are seen as full-fledged Arab countries.
The last thing I want to see - is Pakestan become a Sanskrit-speaking country - I am afraid in Pakestan's case the hindi-movies and tandoori chickens (IF indians did invent it) will prove to be mightier than the sword!!

Plus for your information - Pakestan stands for more than a line on a world map - so it existed from the moment the first Hindu converted to Islam! The word or land area that came up in 1947 with a lot of efforts and struggles was just one particular manifestation of this "two-nation" REALITY. It's a matter of time before the world realizes this. And I feel that the sooner the Pakestan masses realize this the better for them. Have nothing against India - but feel that Pakestan has suffered enough due to its fascination with India. They are VERY different and I don't know how long it will take for this reality to manifest itself (ie no more hindi music in Pakestan marriages, no more posters of Hindi actors in Pak saloons,...................) but I want to do my humble part.

Lets make a deal: you keep the tandoori chicken and sanskrit, and start respecting Pakestan as a nation and reality instead of dealing with it with ulterior motives of hegemonic desings and orchastrating all these shanigans like the India of today was the same India in spirit that was ruled by Moslems. India was always held by force before it got to its present version of being the "world's largest secular democracy" (remind me again what the top layer of the flag - saffron - stands for?)
Going back 1000 odd years - held by force by Moslems and then by Christian Eurpoeans (Portugal and UK are European countries). So the India of today is NOT the same India - so when you say Pakestan didn't exist, the India of today also did not exist. And by the way, Pakestan could have retained a silly name like North India, or West India but just a reminder of the determination of some (yeah I admit not ALL muslims - some were happy munching of tandoori chicken and dancing to sanskrit tunes) Muslims to have an identity of their own. Pakestan could have benefitted with tourism etc,. if it retained India but guess what? some things you can't assign a dollar-value to.

So I hope that aids you in trying to comprehend by postings - to me, and yeah I might be wrong, the bane of Pakestan's existence is its failure to do what it had set out to do - no, not in 1947 but since the first Muslims emerged from this land. You have a right to disagree by all means - this is a free forum but likewise, I also have a right to disagree with your views.

So enjoy - I am already enjoying it here. Let's see what other Pakestan people have to say about the postings.

^ JazakAllah Ya akh Al-Muslim. Allah arsalak lana ka-hadiaa....lil Muslimeen alBakistaan ala haza al-muntada.

(JazakAllah O brother in Islam. Allah has sent you as a gift for us, Muslims of Pakistan, on this discussion board)

Allahuma ahdina wa ahdi jamee al muslimeen , wa sabbit aqdamana ala al deenak wa azilla alkufr wal mushrikeen!

Everyday, I am trying to be more of an arab. I will throw out my dinner table tomorrow.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Everyday, I am trying to be more of an arab. I will throw out my dinner table tomorrow.
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Better late than never! Thank God you realized that being a Muslim you must not adopt Hindi way of life. :)

haha this is really hilarious shyte!

el turki, arabs are actually south indians who migrated during the godwana-panthalasa separation. which is why peninsular arabs look tamil and sound tamil when they speak.

http://www.britannica.com/arab-tamil-chuthiyapa.html

Salam to all,

Dear Queer : I have said it before and I am gonna say it again - the view of ALL Arabs (because there are Muslim and Christian Arabs) is that ALL humans have descended from Adam (pbuh) and Eve and so nowhere have I tried to imply that the Hindi gene pool or Arabic gene pool is the root cause of discussion! For monotheists its deeds that make the man and not birth in a particular geographical area or linguistic ability - we believe that no one gets bonus points by being born here or there - now if we come to deeds, then I am saying what I am saying.

Its too bad that from all my posts the only thing you got out was ethnicities and blood-lines! Imdad's pretty much in the same boat as you - you guys seem to be stuck on the lowest rung of the human evolutionary thought process.

Frankly, I am here to air views that are pitched at a much higher level than this and so will try not to get distracted.
Imdad, please don't throw away your dinner table - you can atleast dis-assemble it and share it the homeless - you keep strengthening my suspicious - either you are not a Moslem or a very ignorant one because if you were knowledgeable about Islam you would have realized that sitting on the floor and having your meals is a sign of humility and not "backwardness" as your post seems to sarcastically suggest.
You are living proof of my ideas and suspicions. I have spent time in Hind as well (although it was a fraction of what I spent in Pakestan) - but I soon realized the enormous variety of Muslims there - but Muslims are Muslims - I just want Pakestan Muslims to be alert from Muslims like you (IF u are in fact a Muslim).

So everyone, please don't persistently misinterpret my posts with your heavily biased mindsets. Try, just try to see things outside the Hindi prism. And if you can't who cares?!

Plus Queer: if you ever come to Arabia, you will see that our accent is different from South Hind or north Hind - we don't call "M" "yeem" like south indians do ok!!! :) - had a mathematics teacher in Grade 8 who kept confusing the non-Indians in the class: "Yeem + b squared + yelll cubed is yequal to tree hundred and four" (translated: m+b squared+l cubed = 304!!!) We Arabs don't keep the "h" (or yeech) silent and we Arabs certainly don't call "M" Yeem!!!

Wake up - no in fact stay the way you are! In fact its interesting the way you spelt "shyte". I never remember using profanities in my posts - unless you were trying to say something else and, like Mrs. Tiruchipullaakondi are confusing us!

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
I wish I had as much pure arab blood (guarenteed jannat) like all the my brave army general heros. I am but just a hindi muslim.
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does it say in QURAN Sharif or anywhere else that the ARABS are guranteed for paradise? evethough having a name in FAISHATOOB would they still be let to JANAT?