Difference between QURAN,GITA and BIBLE

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Dear Changez,

If I correctly understand you, I have to say some words, what is a sect, a satanic sect.

In a sect it takes fifteen days to three months for human mind to give up, I mean surrender, provided the pupil accept the superiority of the teacher, Guru.

These Gurus boast of some or other kind of revelation, mostly they believe in it and further attract gentry who is always in a mood to encounter god.
In a satanic sect pupils go so far that they are ready to kill any one or commit suicide at the whip of the teacher. Mass suicidal spectacles are also conducted.

The new comer and the old pupils usually perform some or other kind of rituals, murmur some words,
some physical exercises are conducted, dance and sometimes even one has to move head to and fro and all stress is on repetition. Ultimately the mind has to give up.

Pls compare all this to Islam, where this pattern starts at madarsa.

Rgds

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In a satanic sect, people tend to believe that God was the incarnate of Man, who left the Universe to operate with a Deputy whilst he was away on a mission to Earth or Mars.

Then the Deputy will ultimately double cross and take over the reigns of power while the Leader was away!

Totalling 11 incarnates in your case, with Ghandi being the last.

I think that sounds about right.

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Ok, this one is for Kumar,

Can you please translate in english the quote from the Bhavishya Puran, in the following section.

Prati Sarg III: 3, 3. 5-8. also

Shalokas 10-27, also

The First Mantra in the Kuntap Sukt, also

Atharva Veda XX:21,6

Can you also please confirm if the flesh and milk of a camel is forbidden for an Indian Rishi, in line with the laws of Dharma Shastara. Manu, V: 8,18 and Manu, XI: 201.

What is your opinion on the Kuntup Sakt. Are they riddles and un-intelligible enigmas or do they actually form part of the Atharva Veda?

I think this is enough for now.

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Bhagwat Geeta, the famous book is a part of another famous book Mahabharat. According to some historrians, Mahabharat was written in about 400BC. Origanally there were about 20000 ashloks in this book. Additions were frequently made by different authors in a period of about 500 years. Today, due to these additions, there are about 100000 ashloks in this book.

Bhagwat Geeta is the most famous part of this book. Through previous discussion it is quite clear that BHAGWAT GEETA IS NOT ILHAAMI BOOK.

Bhagwat Geeta has presented the concept & phillosophy of soul in details in an interesting way.

More emphises is on the point that SOUL WAS NEVER CREATED AND SHALL NEVER BE DESTROYED.

NOW AS IT IS ALREADY BEEN POINTED OUT BY THE HONOURABLE PERSONS THAT QURAN IS AN ILHAMI BOOK AND IS 100% ORIGINAL.

QURAN ALSO DISSCUSSES ABOUT SOUL BUT QURAN's POINT OF VIEW IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF BHAGWAT GEETA.

The idea that Soul was never created is wrong according to Quran because according to Quran, soul is the creature of GOD.

Qul Ruhe min Amre Rubbi (Al-Quran)

So there is no simmilarity in teachings of Quran and that of Bhagwat Geeta.

Quran's point of view has more importance because Quran is 100% original and most perfact ILLHAMI BOOK.

However Bhagwat Geeta discusses about soul in greater details but every one should note that Greek Phillosophers have also discussed about it in details and also in interesting way. But it is just the phillosophy of mankind. CAN'T BE COMPARED WITH GOD's OWN MESSAGE.

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[quote]
Originally posted by babar123:
**Quran's point of view has more importance because Quran is 100% original and most perfact ILLHAMI BOOK.

**

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my question remains. what is 'ilhami book'? is 'Alice in wonderland' (which, in my opinion is a better book than three being discussed, ) a ilhaami book. what should i do to write an ilhaami book?

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ZZ

I think you should stick to Alice in Wonderland, as she'll guide you through your real world.

Come to think of it, you may as well read Winnie The Pooh. I'm sure you'll get all your historical facts, answers to life and the Laws of the Land from dear Winnie.

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Dear Sholay,

Do you really believe in revelation?

Revelation declaring frauds are everywhere and this world may become a heaven if all of them are true.
I don’t need to argue yours blindness.

Rgds

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Comments on my answer by a senior member:

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my question remains. what is 'ilhami book'? is 'Alice in wonderland' (which, in my opinion is a better book than three being discussed, ) a ilhaami book. what should i do to write an ilhaami book?

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Well Mr.,

Quran itself claims to be a ILLHAMI BOOK. Quran itself has promissed that it would remain 100% original for ever. If any one is in doubt QURAN ITSELF HAS CHALLENGED all those who are in doubt to write or show a single Verse like its.

NOTE THAT NO OTHER BOOK ITSELF CLAIMS LIKE THAT.

It is only the followers of these Books who claim that their respective Books are Illhami.

But their such claims have no importance because they cannot show proofs of these claims from within their respective Books.

Well, You can try to write an Illhami Book BUT ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHALLENGE OF QURAN WHICH IS STILL AN UNBEATABLE CHALLENGE AFTER 1400 Years.

SO QURAN IS THE BEST BOOK.

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Dear zz: are you familiar with "Urdu"? 'Ilhaami' means revealed by GOD. no human being can be an author of 'ilhaami' book. if you enjoy reading 'alice in wonderland', keep reading it but that doesn't mean that "Quran" is not 'ilhaami' book.

anand: prophets did receive revelations, and I am a firm beleiver. there are several occasions where our Prophet was revealed what his conspirer discussed. and when those conspirers came to know that Prophet already knows about their discussion (God revealed their discussion to the Prophet PBUH) they beleived that he really is a prophet of God and accepted Islam as THE religion and oneness of God.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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you don’t know a crap about what happens in madrassah, do you?

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

hehehehe
upto this point, i really thought that you are some “scholar” who studies different religions and you also studied Islam. but this message of yours shows how pathetic your knowledge and sources of knowledge are.
in madrassah, “pupil” mostly learn how to read as well as memorize “Quran” (the words of GOD), not murmur any words or songs presented in Gita or other rhymic books composed by human beings.
there is no discussion of “take over” the power of GOD. we know thru Quran who GOD is, what are HIS powers. you will see GOD thru your bible/GITA etc, and have your own perceptions.

you (or someone else) said that we will know about a lord in 10-11 years, tell us something about it what he is going to do and what his status is in your religion.

[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited May 29, 2001).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by ajit_kumar:
can anyone of you tell me some of the differences
which you know.with my limited understanding of GITA and QURAN,i see nothing but same in both the BOOKS.can you please tell me about some of the differences.(.
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Ajit,

The big difference between the Quran and the bible/gita is that the latter two make associations with the creator, whilst the former states that only the creator is to be worshiped. That is the difference between these books, and that is the reason why I am neither a Hindu or a Christain.

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My dear Changez,

Why you are annoyed? Here Islam differs. You may make some irregular remark to a Hindu, Christian, Jew or a Buddhist; he will either ignore it or cooperate with you and enjoy it.

Unknowingly you have confirmed the sect theory thru pattern at Madarasa. When you compel a child to learn something by heart and compel him to go thru repetitions, the outcome person will be no more than a blind devoted to the cause.

I have noticed how these children move head to and fro.

Prophet every time new the conspiracy and conspirators, informed by angels. It is an information for you that all self styled teachers, Gurus spread such rumors around them.

You have all reasons to believe Quran. I don’t need to argue.
Hidus boast that whatever is written in Mahabharata can be found in any of other books, but what is not written in this epic, cannot be found in any book of the world.
Fight them!

Rgds

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[quote]
Originally posted by Alpha1:
** Ajit,

The big difference between the Quran and the bible/gita is that the latter two make associations with the creator, whilst the former states that only the creator is to be worshiped. That is the difference between these books, and that is the reason why I am neither a Hindu or a Christain.

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Not exactly, in gita, lord krishna gives advice to Arjuna. So u could say that statements of krishna are words by god if u believe that he was god's incarnation.

key word is belief. none of these old books is concrete and clear unlike, say, maxwell's laws of electrodynamics which are true whether or not u belive them.

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SKV ANAND

Will you be kind enough to clarify, who actually compiled the Maha Bharat and also what was his greatest work.

By the way, how did you learn to read, write, walk, talk and eat. It surely couldn't be by repeating these actions.

Maybe it was a revelation!

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Mr Anand wrote:

My dear Changez,

Why you are annoyed? Here Islam differs. You may make some irregular remark to a Hindu, Christian, Jew or a Buddhist; he will either ignore it or cooperate with you and enjoy it.

Unknowingly you have confirmed the sect theory thru pattern at Madarasa. When you compel a child to learn something by heart and compel him to go thru repetitions, the outcome person will be no more than a blind devoted to the cause. I have noticed how these children move head to and fro.

Prophet every time new the conspiracy and conspirators, informed by angels. It is an information for you that all self styled teachers, Gurus spread such rumors around them.

You have all reasons to believe Quran. I don’t need to argue. Hidus boast that whatever is written in Mahabharata can be found in any of other books, but what is not written in this epic, cannot be found in any book of the world.
Fight them!
Rgds

Anand,

**My Reply:

you asked me why I am annoyed then you said thats where Islam differs. my annoyance doesn't have to do anything in Islam, this is a BIG problem with MEDIA ... you see one 'Muslim' with a gun and then stereotype as "all the muslims are terrorists and want to kill all non-muslims".
anyway, when you relate Islam with Satanic sect it would be very welcome to Muslims?

In madressah, the reason children move their head to and fro is of their own free will, there is no "command" or "instruction" not even a "request" to do as such. if they feel comfortable doing that, they are free to do it.

memorizing of Quran by a child is a miracle. more than 6000 ayats memorized by a child under age of 9! if a molvi hits a child with stick (forcing him to learn/memorize), its not because ISLAM asked molvi to do so, its because that molvi is not a good follower of Islam.

when I talked about conspiracies being revealed its not in just books. they were truth at that time... for you to beleive buy a time machine travel and watch. other attributes of prophet were predictions which are happening now (which couldn't have been thought by a normal being 1400 years ago), exact knowledge of earlier religions being revealed unto him, the incidents that took place hundreds of years ago before him. Prophet PBUH himself didn't know how to read/write books and none of the associates at the time of spread of Islam knew more than Prophet PBUH himself. I know its all history now and for you its only in books. But the Quran that was revealed unto him, makes ISLAM no match to others.

If hindus boast of any knowledge/theories/philosophies, let them do it. Islam didn't start just 1400 years ago, it was only "completed" 1400 years ago. All of the prophets and messengers before him brought the same concept "God is ONE" and similar (not EXACT) code of life.

It could go on and on, but only if readers are sincere enough to digest it.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited May 29, 2001).]

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If you wish to understand your religion, you will have to come out of it and investigate.
You will invent that Quran is unscientific and historically incorrect. Its geographical limitations are well known.
Off course a Madarsa mind is not competent for it.

(It is true for any religion and religious book.)

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Religions do not seem to be in the business of solving human problems resulting from the adverse physical conditions of existence. Therefore, so far, we have not seen any Padre or Imam or Rabbi inventing a vaccine or a machine from the pulpit. As a matter of fact it does not require any evidence to prove that science is the only discipline known to mankind for alleviating its problem resulting from disease, shortage of food, natural calamities and threat to human life. In all fairness religion cannot have claims competing with physical sciences because of the difference in their spheres.

Why is that that despite clearly established advantages and tangible results of the scientific method in every field of life, there is a persistence of the non-rational in the human belief system?

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SKV ANAND

Firstly and foremstly, you do not even know your own scriptures, I am still awaiting your translations that I requested.

Secondly, you are the one who stated 'I am a zero in most of the things. I don’t intend to study. All those shlokas and name like Tryambaka are unknown to me.' These are your actual words relating to yourself. Therefore, I don't think you are in a position to make any comments or judgements.

For the record, the Qur'aan gave scientific facts 1400 years ago, which only became known to man over the last few centuries.

It covered the Big Bang Theory, Evolution, Embryology, The Water Cycle, Earths Atmosphere, Origins of Life, Vegetation, Human Reproduction etc etc.

Obviously you couldn't see this because you don't even have a clue about your own book that you read.

So please, don't pretend to be impartial and ask questions that have been asked and answered for hundreds of years, regarding the Qur'aan and Islam.

THE QUESTION THAT YOU NEED TO ASK IS, WHY HAVEN'T I AS YET TURNED TO THE QUR'AAN FOR GUIDANCE?

However, if you still are at unease with your soul and spirit and still defy the Qur'aan, just fulfill the challenge in the Qur'aan.

All the Qur'aan asks of you in this challenge is to make just ONE chapter like that of the Qur'aan, the shortest chapter by the way is only 4 lines long. The challenge has only been outstanding for 1400 years. Not that long for you!

Whilst your compiling a chapter like that of the Qur'aan, can you also please give me the translations of your own scriptures that I requested and any challenges they lay down in them!

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The Upanishads are a collection of Indian speculations on the nature of reality and the soul and the relations between these two.
The texts date from around 600 BC. They often give the impression of a building under construction - an ongoing exploration of themes not yet fully resolved. No strictly coherent scheme can be extracted from the upanishads - not even from each single upanishad. Like the Bhagavad Gita they are the work of several hands.
If one theme unites these writings, it is the search for an underlying unity linking everything we see and think. That unity is called Brahman. In most texts, Brahman is said to be identical with Atman, the world soul, which is also identical with the atman of each individual. In this sense every individual is united with the cosmos, and only needs to realize this fact to reach fulfillment.
The upanishads are, thus, essentially pantheistic. However, their quest for unity went at times too far. Since the world we see is clearly highly diverse, some texts deduce that if the cosmos is unitary, then appearances must be delusory. They are maya - like a magical trick. The self, the presence of the cosmic Self within each person, is the Real' world - a world of pure thought, which cannot be apprehended by the senses. Meanwhile the real sensible world of life and love, birth and death, is dismissed as no more than a dream projected by the self. Once a person realizes this, the illusion falls away and they become one with the All.
This view - similar in essence to most schools of Buddhism - contrasts strongly with realistic pantheisms which accept the material world as real. Idealistic pantheism fails to explain why we all dream the same dream - why the detail of the sensible world is shared by everyone present. It cannot explain why we should start todream' the world at all, nor why there should be a `we' to dream.
The belief that reality is illusion is perhaps the greatest illusion of all. It leads to indifference, inaction, insensitivity, world-blindness, death in life. Indeed in the upanishads all these are praised as the highest wisdom.
No life can be led in an illusory world - even hermits and monks have to eat, excrete, and sleep. Thus they are forced to acknowledge in action the reality of the world they deny in theory, and their own lives disprove their beliefs. The only life that is consistent with full acceptance of idealist pantheism is a hunger strike until death. The sage who wishes to survive another day must forget his wisdom.

Selected fragments.

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[quote]
Originally posted by sholay:
**SKV ANAND

Firstly and foremstly, you do not even know your own scriptures, I am still awaiting your translations that I requested.

Secondly, you are the one who stated 'I am a zero in most of the things. I don’t intend to study. All those shlokas and name like Tryambaka are unknown to me.' These are your actual words relating to yourself. Therefore, I don't think you are in a position to make any comments or judgements.

For the record, the Qur'aan gave scientific facts 1400 years ago, which only became known to man over the last few centuries.

It covered the Big Bang Theory, Evolution, Embryology, The Water Cycle, Earths Atmosphere, Origins of Life, Vegetation, Human Reproduction etc etc.

Obviously you couldn't see this because you don't even have a clue about your own book that you read.

So please, don't pretend to be impartial and ask questions that have been asked and answered for hundreds of years, regarding the Qur'aan and Islam.

THE QUESTION THAT YOU NEED TO ASK IS, WHY HAVEN'T I AS YET TURNED TO THE QUR'AAN FOR GUIDANCE?

However, if you still are at unease with your soul and spirit and still defy the Qur'aan, just fulfill the challenge in the Qur'aan.

All the Qur'aan asks of you in this challenge is to make just ONE chapter like that of the Qur'aan, the shortest chapter by the way is only 4 lines long. The challenge has only been outstanding for 1400 years. Not that long for you!

Whilst your compiling a chapter like that of the Qur'aan, can you also please give me the translations of your own scriptures that I requested and any challenges they lay down in them!**
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sholay do you agree with quran about the evoultionary theory?