Difference between QURAN,GITA and BIBLE

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** Pathetic knowledge and comments! **

  • From Vedas came Upanishads. Gita and Vedas have absolutely no relationship.

  • Gita came to the world much much later than Vedas.

  • Geetha (or Gita) has 18 chapters and it revolves around selflessness, transcedental knowledge, the various natures of humans and need to do your duty.

  • There is NO quote is Gita about Muhammed or Islam or Arabia. In fact it does not care about muhammed or Islam or arabia, or even Hindusim. (Surprised?) The term hindu or Hinduism or Sindhu does not occur even in one location throught out Gita.

** Gita does not profess a religion unlike your quran. It can best be described as a theory on the concept of GOD, life and duty. **

  • To get a word by word translation of Gita go here: www.asitis.com.

  • Nobody quotes Gita to be 1310 million years old. Give me a link or quote a reference. It is absolutely ridiculous statement. There are people who have tried to estimate the period of GITA and have concluded it to be around 5376 BC. It is here: http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/mahabharat/mahab_vartak.html

  • Regarding the quote you gave, will you please give me a more detailed location on which Veda it is in, which stanza? Your location is bogus.

[This message has been edited by kumarakn (edited May 19, 2001).]

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Some people just don't learn or give up, and rely solely on the web for info and knowledge.

I suppose this sums up the context of your response.

Nevertheless, I will now give u details about your scriptures that you did not knew existed, and furthermore, have not as yet even been able to read! ( your comments prove this)

There are 3 divisions in the Hindu books - The Vedas, The Upanishads and The Puranas. The Brahmanas Grant, another book, is nothing but a commentry of the Vedas, but is still included in the revealed books(Shurti).

I've already mentioned the 4 divisions in the Vedas, so I won't go back into the details again. However, the Rig Veda is the oldest out the lot and the 3 are also known as the Triple Sciences ( Trai Viddya).
The scholar who gives the dates for the 'million plus' years of revelation as you dearly would like the eveidence, is Swami Daya Nand, founder of the Arya Samaj.

The Vedas are the 'most authentic' scriptures of the Hindus and the real foundations of the Hindu Dharma.

Next in order of superiority and authenticity to the Vedas are the Upanishads. However, some Pandits consider the Upanishads to be superior to the Vedas (Raja Ram Mohan Roy).

Next in line and the most widely read of all are the Puranas. However, verses in the Atharva Veda, confirm that the Puranas are more ancient and authentic.
Atharva Veda, XV:6,12
Rig Veda, X:130,6 and VII:1-2.

Furthermore, a copy of the Puranas will be found in almost every Brahmans house. What does this mean?

I suggest you read the works of MAHRISHI VSAYA. He arranged the Veda. He wrote a valuable book on mysticism. The Gita and Maha Bharat were also his productions!
But his greatest work was the Bhavishya Puran. The Hindus regard this as the 'word of god' and MAHRISHI VSAYA was just the compiler, with god being the real author!

Also read the Kuntap Sukt from the Atharva Veda, which you also call the Brahma Veda or Divine Knowledge.

I can go on and on and on, but you wouldn't understand, as you hardly know any of the information I have just presented to you.

The easiest way to dismiss any evidence is to overlook it, so I won't be surprised at you response.

You couldn't even tell me who the compiler of the Gita was, I had to tell you.

So next time you stand in the mirror, ask yourelf, who is the real bogus claimant here?

I rest my case.

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Hello Sholay,

Will you pls make followin clear'

FURTHERMORE, CHRISTIAN, JEWS, HINDUS ETC HAVE ALSO SCANNED THE HOLY QUR'AAN INTO COMPUTER TO FIND ERRORS, BUT EVEN THEN, THE ENQUIRERS HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE MYSTIFIED BY THE RESULTS.

I suppose it is not a gossip. Usually someone told you, you beleived and no mandatory proof!

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This response is specifically for SKV ANAND.

I am not in the habit of hearing, listening and accepting gossip. I will leave such inntelligent ways of constructive thinking to yourselves.

I will give just a few examples of your own test results. Let's not forget, you are saying this, not us. When I say 'you' I mean the non-muslims. I don't want to be accused of being biased now, do I!

For example, let's take a short chapter(sura) like Qaf. The letter K appears in it 57 times. Consider the sura which follows it Counsel, which is twice the length and also opens with the letter K. You will find that the letter occurs 57 times also. Coincidence!, I think not. If we add up those occurences of the letter K, we will have 114: the number of suras in the Qur'aan.

Add all the surahs in the Qur'aan looking at the average of the letter K, then mathematically surah Qaf is superior to all others.

The surah 'Thunder' opens with the letters
A.L.M.R. 'Your' computer tells us the following.

A occurs 625 times
L occurs 476 times
M occurs 260 times
R occurs 127 times.

Thus, the letters frequency of occurence is in the exact same descending order.

The same happens in another chapter, The Cow chapter with A.L.M.

A occurs 4592 times
L occurs 3204 times
M occurs 2195 times

The frequency occurs in the same descending order.

Again, another chapter 'The Imrans', with A.L.M

A occurs 2578 times
L occurs 1885 times
M occurs 1251 times

The same occurence in descending order.

Coincidence after coincidence!

Similarily, all suras starting with A.L.R, namely Abraham,Jonah,Huud,Joseph and Al-Hijr, show the same phenomenon.

So, no longer is this a question of chance. We are before precise laws, which are weighed as if with an exacting scale.

Feel free to attempt the above calculations with a computer or without!

This maybe is a bit too deep for you at the moment, so let's move onto issues that you should be able to relate to.

Every Qur'aanic text, follows the pattern of NO if's and but's, which is synonymous in humans when starting to talk. i.e 'once upon a time syndrome'. Further, unlike any human endeavour of literary art, where everything begins with the beginning: the first word and not the first verse of the Qur'aanic inspiration is NOT the first chapter and the first verse of the Qur'aan. It occupies the 96th chapter!!

I've made this rather brief as I am not in the habit of preaching faith. Only airing my views. Freedom of speech, movement and choice.

Get your computer out and get cracking!

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Sholay, just wanted to say i admire your knowledge, p.s. where did you get this info?

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Years of study.

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Sholay:

Thanks for your enlightening response! Wow, very inspirational. FYI, I read GITA almost everyday and have written a few books on it. Please don't make a fool out of yourself by trying to explain Hindu books to me.

It is like me explaining Islam to you all. I am not being arrogant. Pardon me if I seem so. But Hindu literature/scriptures has been my passion and I enjoy reading them.

Please don't jump to a conclusion that I don't know about Veda Vyasa. You want to know about Vyasa or Valmiki or Agasthya or Viswamitra any other saptha rishi, I will be glad to write a note about them from what I know.

I am NOT trying to say I know more than you, but I am very confident about my knowledge about Hindu scriptures.

I was disputing your assumption and declaration that Vedas came from Gita. It demostrates your pathetic knowledge about my religion. FYI, They are totally different.

If you still want to assume that you have gained a lot of knowledge about hinduism by browsing the web that you can go on and on baffling all of us, hey, be my guest. The frog of a deep well assumes it has been everywhere in the world where there is water.

Love ya!

Kumarakn

PS: If you have any questions about any word in any sloka in any chapter of Gita, please open another thread and ask us, instead of assuming you know everything. I will be glad to share what I know.

Again please don't post another comment that you know everything. You are already demonstrated enough of your knowledge to us.

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And don't talk to us about divisions of veda, puranas, or upanishads, or Gita or Shatadharshanani, assuming that we don't know about them.

I know different puranas (some of them by heart), some upanishads and have read all the vedas to an extent.

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As I stated before, the easiest way to dismiss any form of evidence is to overlook it, as I predicted in your case.

This was posssible because I've had many a dealing with similar Hindu's 'experts' regarding the scripts and am used to getting such a response.

I don't claim to know everything and never will.

What I do know is that the prophecy is in your face and you still can't see it!

The question that needs asking is, have you ever in your lifetime read or studied the Qur'aan?

Reading and studying your Vedas, which are by far more superior than the Geeta, has not weakened or dampened my beliefs in anyway. They've just been strengthened.

Maybe you need to do the same with other faiths.

You never know, you just might learn something!

Finally, now is the time for you to actually prove me wrong. Which I know cannot happen as I have the same books as you do!! Possibly more!

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reading ancient books of india gives you idea about the struggle between invading aryans and dravidians

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Sholay frog:

It is a waste of time to discuss with a know all like you. Go change world with your super enlightenment. We need a messiah like you!

Kumarakn

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Sholay,

Pls dont get irritated. It is only for an enquiry. Did you count all above yourself for a counter check.

Rgds

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THE Prabhupada site you provided says

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derogatory remark about women,How do yopu reconsile in the present age of working women to be servant obedeient yielding to her man ALWAYS ???

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http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/frown.gif

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barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakte

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You are being Irritant !!

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http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/disgust.gif

This kind of questioning can lead to how do you know you are your fathers son??where you aware when you were conceived by whom or when you were born & to whom

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barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakte

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Dear Sholay,

My one question to you is pending.

Have you ever heard of J Krishnamurti (1895-1986). He was brought up in Theosophical Society, organized in India by people from abroad, France, England, Poland etc. This society was a movement that combined Western occult thought with Buddhist and Hindu teachings.
This society believed in the arrival of next God. And this next god they found in J Krishnamurti.

This gentleman had some revelations like your prophet from very early age, and gods used to visit him, but by 1929 this god of future revolted and rejected from this fraud.

Rest of his life he spent in exploring human mind and psychology.

In India there are many self styled gurus, who declare revelations in some or other forms and usually get some gathering.
Do you know what is a sect, a satanic sect. Can you compare it to Islam?

Rgds

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Thank you for proving my predictions right!

Like I said before, every ounce of your responses were expected.

Now you know why you are in the position your are in, and why I'm in the position I am in.

Next Please!

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Mr/Ms SKV Anand,

whats your point in bringing up invention of J.Krishnamurti by West? as well as satanic sect? if you have information why don't you put it up?

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'No matter how many times you teach a donkey, it will never learn'.

'Stubborn as a Mule'.

'Dumb as an Ass'.

'Thick as 2 planks of wood'.

I'm sure you get my drift.

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[quote]
Originally posted by sholay:
**
'No matter how many times you teach a donkey, it will never learn'.

'Stubborn as a Mule'.

'Dumb as an Ass'.

'Thick as 2 planks of wood'.

I'm sure you get my drift.**
[/quote]

Sholay: these are exactly my sentiments...for your vehement belief that Vedas came from Gita.

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of these three books, i like bible. it has some good stories. thus a good entertainment. quran is pretty repetetive and gita is boring. of course, i must mention that i like 'alice in wonderland' more than these three books.