Difference between QURAN,GITA and BIBLE

rvizk,

You raise an interesting link.

All the religions have one thing common, that is fear, fear of human mind, and psycho treatment.
Religions feed fear and medicate fear. Religions don’t treat fear.

For sometime I am trying to make out difference between religion and sect.
Don’t you see a difference that among Jews every third is an atheist, among Christians atheism is a very common, a Hindu can roam from here to there easily, (Buddha was atheist), Budhhists usually have no problem with others, so are Sikhs.

But among followers of Islam atheism is a very rare phenomenon.
Why?

Rgds

Mr SKV Anand,

there are muslim atheist, and you right that they are rare. when a muslim turns to atheism, he is not a muslim then, he is referred to as 'murted'.

what does atheism means? it means that there is no god, universe created itseld, and all the ORDER in universe came by itself, all the balance in nature happened by itself. a man was born with a woman by itself. every species (that has pair) came into existence by itself... i.e. there was no designer of the universe and for any of the creation. atheists beleive that their forefathers/ancestors were monkies and gradually evolved to human being... by this theory monkies of today are some LONGGGG-grand fathers of next generation of atheists.
basically they are in state of denial.
when a human being can pray to fire, or other creatures then its not very difficult to be atheist-deny the very existence of GOD, but when one comes to know of THE DESIGNER of the universe and its all subsystems its not easy to deny HIM. thats why you'll rarely see muslim turning to atheism.


We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

non-scientists seem to be quite confused about precise definitions of biological evolution. Such confusion is due in large part to the inability of scientists to communicate effectively to the general public and also to confusion among scientists themselves about how to define such an important term. When discussing evolution it is important to distinguish between the existence of evolution and various theories about the mechanism of evolution. And when referring to the existence of evolution it is important to have a clear definition in mind. What exactly do biologists mean when they say that they have observed evolution or that humans and chimps have evolved from a common ancestor?

One of the most respected evolutionary biologists has defined biological evolution as follows:

"In the broadest sense, evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve. Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions."
- Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986

It is important to note that biological evolution refers to populations and not to individuals and that the changes must be passed on to the next generation. In practice this means that,

Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.
This is a good working scientific definition of evolution; one that can be used to distinguish between evolution and similar changes that are not evolution. Another common short definition of evolution can be found in many textbooks:

"In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next."
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974

One can quibble about the accuracy of such a definition (and we have often quibbled on these newsgroups) but it also conveys the essence of what evolution really is. When biologists say that they have observed evolution, they mean that they have detected a change in the frequency of genes in a population. (Often the genetic change is inferred from phenotypic changes that are heritable.) When biologists say that humans and chimps have evolved from a common ancestor they mean that there have been successive heritable changes in the two separated populations since they became isolated.
Unfortunately the common definitions of evolution outside of the scientific community are different. For example, in the Oxford Concise Science Dictionary we find the following definition:

"evolution: The gradual process by which the present diversity of plant and animal life arose from the earliest and most primitive organisms, which is believed to have been continuing for the past 3000 million years."

This is inexcusable for a dictionary of science. Not only does this definition exclude prokaryotes, protozoa, and fungi, but it specifically includes a term "gradual process" which should not be part of the definition. More importantly the definition seems to refer more to the history of evolution than to evolution itself. Using this definition it is possible to debate whether evolution is still occurring, but the definition provides no easy way of distinguishing evolution from other processes. For example, is the increase in height among Caucasians over the past several hundred years an example of evolution? Are the color changes in the peppered moth population examples of evolution? This is not a scientific definition.
Standard dictionaries are even worse.

"evolution: ...the doctrine according to which higher forms of life have gradually arisen out of lower.." - Chambers
"evolution: ...the development of a species, organism, or organ from its original or primitive state to its present or specialized state; phylogeny or ontogeny" - Webster's

These definitions are simply wrong. Unfortunately it is common for non-scientists to enter into a discussion about evolution with such a definition in mind. This often leads to fruitless debate since the experts are thinking about evolution from a different perspective. When someone claims that they don't believe in evolution they cannot be referring to an acceptable scientific definition of evolution because that would be denying something which is easy to demonstrate. It would be like saying that they don't believe in gravity!
Recently I read a statement from a creationist who claimed that scientists are being dishonest when they talk about evolution. This person believed that evolution was being misrepresented to the public. The real problem is that the public, and creationists, do not understand what evolution is all about. This person's definition of evolution was very different from the common scientific definition and as a consequence he was unable to understand what evolutionary biology really meant. This is the same person who claimed that one could not "believe" in evolution and still be religious! But once we realize that evolution is simply "a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations" it seems a little silly to pretend that this excludes religion!

A human mind can speak and understand only what it knows, it has seen and it has been informed.

When this human mind wishes to elaborate what is beyond only fantasy is the result.

In today’ life majority of religions are confined to churches and temples. It is not the same with Islam. Why?

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**In today’ life majority of religions are confined to churches and temples. It is not the same with Islam. Why?

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i think it is because islam is a young religion. older religions become flexible over time. remember christianity 600 yrs ago. they went around everywhere trying to spread bible or buddhism 1500 yrs ago.

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i think it is because islam is a young religion. older religions become flexible over time. remember christianity 600 yrs ago. they went around everywhere trying to spread bible or buddhism 1500 yrs ago. **
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If christianity became flexible in 2001 years, do you think Islam will follow the same path and become flexible in 600 years from now when it will about same age as christianity?
If your answer is yes, what is the evidence?

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[This message has been edited by analyze it (edited May 31, 2001).]

i had to inform you that islam is not a new religion, it was the religion taught to adam, the first human, and it was taught through many prophets and messengers. it was and still is a moral code for people. judaism and christianity were also teaching the message of islam. even the judaic and christian ORIGINAL scriptures testify this, they even testify the name of their god as being Allah. the final message of islam was given through prophet muhammad where all the messages accumulated (judaism and christianity) into the final islam.

As for islam changing like christianity that will be impossible as christianity is no longer the original religion but has changed into a secular one. that is why muslims should not deviate from the teachings of the quraan. we live by it and if we dont we will be lost. we will never or should never change our ways or invent our own rules, to replace the way of the quraan or islam, and ways of life when we have not got the mental capacity to really do so with out harming ourselves or society.

So, why cannot we name Islam a satanic sect?

SKV ANAND

Give me the translations that I asked for and then you will get an answer to your query, regarding a Satanic Sect.

Otherwise, sit back and learn!

At one of the Indian forum following question was asked by a Muslim citizen;

Why is it after all that, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world?

And this was the reply;

"Why Islam is the fastest growing religion?"

It is because Islam is not a virtuous religion. Prophet Mohamed has taught his followers not to believe in family planning and that the only way to please "allah" is to create more & more children. Hence these muslims create dozens of children and it goes on multiplying further. Because of lack of education and sensitivity, muslims do not give importance to 'Quality' and 'Values' of life. Whereas, people of all other religions, give utmost importance to quality and values of life, i.e. education, health, economic viability, food, shelter, living conditions, proper upbringing, etc. For muslims, these qualities don't matter at all and as a result a very majority of muslims are today's sufferers. The turmoil and unrest you see in the muslim world (Palestine, Kashmir, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Somalia, Egypt, Algeria, Bosnia, Indonesia, Phillipines, etc) is a proof of their neglect to 'Quality' and 'Value' of life. These muslims are brain-washed from the birth with the false ideals of Islam and Jihad. They are forced compulsorily to believe in Islam and not to question the origin of "Koran" or the teachings of Prophet Mohd. (In fact, the origin of Koran itself is 100% doubtful).

Whenever any innovation or discovery takes place in the world, suddenly the muslim priests/mullahs make claim : "Hey, it is already stated in Koran". These mullahs even said that Koran has predicted 'law of gravity' much before Isaac Newton. Tomorrow, they may even say that, NMD (National Missile Defence) programme of US was predicted by Mohamed Prophet. Also, they may say that the first person to step on the Moon is Mohamed Prophet and not Neil Armstrong. Such foolish approach of Islam is the root cause for misguiding the youth, who disregard 'quality' and 'values' of life and blindly follow the teachings of Islam. Moreover, producing more children to spread Islam is the convenient 'number game' of Mohamad Prophet.

Thats the most ridiculous, totally biased, prejudiced, obnoxious and baseless explanation I have ever read about reasons for Islam being the fastest spreading religion in the world.

Dear skv anand:

I don't like to compare Quran to any other holy book. Quran is complete, final and unique. The more you cticize Islam, the more it flourishes but more than that, Islam appeals to non-muslims because it eliminates prejudice, racism and creates equality and justice. Unfortunately, more harm has been done to Islam from with in and not by ill informed non-muslims like you.

Just came back to see your challenge. Well, I see you know a lot about Hinduism. You have learnt all these from one single questionable pitiful website (sorry webpage).
http://srd.yahoo.com/srst/39196539/prophet+in+hindu+scriptures/1/1/*http://users.erols.com/zenithco/prophhs.html

Sholay, You may be a very intelligent man, please please don’t assume you have mastered hinduism by reading one web page.

And again don’t parrot, that you are proved right because of the way I answered. It simply doesn’t make any sense.

All my comments are to enlighten you to your ignorance that ** VEDAS came from Gita. Sholay my dear, these two are totally different and came to the world atleast 2 millenia apart, with GITA being the latter.**. And this I know, didn’t learn from a website or webpage.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hehe.gif

The explanation why Islam is spreading fast, is really a hilarious one.... hahahaha. I thought that this is an intellectual discussion. The word "spreading" is different than "populous" or "increasing". "spreading" is term used when people refer to other people accepting this religion as being TRUE. spreading of Islam does not refer to mere increase in population, but it refers to being widely accepted as true religion, number of followers is increasing because of acceptance of ISLAM as THE religion.

Mr Anand, you are intelligent enough to understand it now why Islam is spreading fast. Mr Kumarkn agrees that one should not pick a website and make it as your reference to understand other religion.

If quality of people being MUSLIM is declining, its not because MUSLIMS don't beleive in quality, its because they are not following ISLAM truly, its because they are kind of running away from their faith, just like Hindus in America start eating chicken, beef, eggs, pork etc. its not fault of the religion, but fault of the individuals following the religion.

I hope it is clear by now.


We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

Mr SK Anand,

why Islam cannot be regarded as Satanic sect?
You are asking because Satanic sect cannot be changed comparing with Islam not being changeable.
very simple. the reason concepts of Islam can't changed is different from Satanic sect. in Satanic sect you try to get power by as you said murmruing some words accompanied with some sort of dancing.
Islam is a moral conduct of life from individual level to the world level.

every human being is haunted by Satan/Devil. if God allowed human being to change/modify his religion, the human being would end up with his own version of religion as we see case with Christianity, guided or mis-guided I should say by satan. As I said (may be in some other thread), all religions are derivations of Islam, some are direct derivatives, others are of 3rd, 4th or more order. Why does Hindu religion believe in some supreme power(s)? why do people have concept of some CREATOR? because when God stops sending HIS message to human being, Human being starts to ignore messages from GOD and diverts from HIS commandments. they start thinking that GOD never existed, or they try to invent ways to get closer to GOD thru other sources like idols.

GOD promised that Quran would be protected by HIM, thats why we don't see any other Quran claiming to be original (i'm not talking about interpretations here). since Quran gives us the moral conduct of life, we SHOULD live accordingly, and not change it in anyway.

got more questions?


We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited June 06, 2001).]

Kumar

Thanks for your post, you definitely took your time.

I suppose it was difficult to do the translations yourself, so the search had begun for a website which would do the job for you. The website you posted was very interesting indeed. You actually done me a favour, as I never knew it existed until now.

Furthermore, just for the record, the website you refer to, only came online in 1997, and I have been asking these questions from the 80's.

I wonder how could I come across such information without the websites?

Anyway, let's not forget the issue.

You still haven't answered any of the questions.

I still await.