Re: Did Yazeed Really killed Hazrat Hussain (R.A) ?
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Re: Did Yazeed Really killed Hazrat Hussain (R.A) ?
Thankyou for that Correction Bhai. :k:
I firmly believe that in the 21st century where Muslims are being killed off like animals we need Muslim Unity more than anything.
Imam Hussain and martyrs since have laid down thier lives to keep the faith strong… we should not weaken it by listening t rumours but should make jugdement based on definitive facts.
Theres no doubt about Yazids guilt both Politically and Millitarily the ultimate blame lies with the head of state and thus no matter what his personality was Yazid was indeed a man with blood on his hands.
Oh and guys please try and keep the humour down for a serious thread like this please.
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Hammad bhai actually MQM killed Hazrat IH RA!
Please go to other forum. Is this a Funny topic ?
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As far as I know Yazid may not have directly killed Imam Hussain but his orders were tantamount to Murder.
Furthermore if Yazid was so innocent as revisionists point out, then pray why did he not deal with the Murderers?
Finally if any further evidence were required of his great crime consider the fact that his armies subsequently bombarded both Makah and Medina.
Modern science can testify to Yazids cruelty for there are still marks on the Kabah and many other surviving buildings which show that Naptha bombs (a primitive form of Napalm) were indeed used in the siege of both holy cities by the Ummayads.
Furthermore several rebbelions broke out in the aftermath of Karbala and Yazid as it says in the annals of Umayad history (albeit that which has survived to the present) that Yazid "relished" the slaughter of all who opposed him and believed he was "infallible" though I'm sure come Judgement day he will come to learn the truth and pay for his evils... as must we all.
Why didn't Hazrat Ali deal with the murderers of Hazrat Usman ? Think before write
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Why didn't Hazrat Ali deal with the murderers of Hazrat Usman ? Think before write
but what it has to do with Yazid being responsible for Hazrat Hussain's death?
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it just amazes me how people would love to talk about cursed Yazeed ibn mauwiya ibn abi sufyan not being responsible for the murder of imam hussein ibn Ali ibne Abi talib. It was a battle between the guardians of faith and the looters, drunkards and *******s of yazeedi forces. shame on those who do not hold yazeed responsible for the massacre. i even see theories emanating from esteemed personalities that in fact imam hussein committed a sin by rebelling against yazeed laen. Kahan Imam hussein aur kahan gali ka kuta yazeed.
the only reason why this remains a much debated question in the salafi/wahabi intelligentsia and like minded demented folks of umayyads worshippers is the fact that its the detested shias which curse this dispicable creature. I dont see the same analytical approach towards the murderers of Usman. These "things" i.e. the wahabis would love to indict the legendary figure of ibn Saba( a secret shia) for insiting the masses against the caliph and directly hold the shias responsible for his murder. But alas, Yazeed cannot be held responsible for the murder of imam hussein.
Your namaaz isnt complete until you send your salam to Muhammad(s) and his progeny, and the guy who subjected the same progeny to such enormities finds a soft corner in the hearts of muslims. wah..
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but what it has to do with Yazid being responsible for Hazrat Hussain's death?
Because Ali was the khalifa after Hazrat Usman and this was his responsibility to punish those who killed Hazrat Usman. Why didn't he do that ? and why Only Yazid is cursed If he didn't punish those who killed Hazrat Hussain.
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well then curse Ali as well. make up ur mind.
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and btw cursing Ali wudnt be anything new, umayyads loved to do it..so feel free
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Why didn't Hazrat Ali deal with the murderers of Hazrat Usman ? Think before write
I think you need to think before you write. For a start if you want to be picky nobody killed Imam Hussain. For he is indeed a lot more alive than any of us in this thread. :)
Secondly you twist the facts of history with your assumptions.
Hazrat Usmans Murderers were soldiers in the employ of hazrat Usman. That treachery would naturally have been punished by Hazrat Ali if he were even allowed to excercise any jurisdiction over the army at all... as it turns out Hazrat Ali was in fact pretty much forced to accept the headship of Caliphate state. However by the time he finally agreed to take up the mantle the Umayads were already blaming him for the Murder...
I ask you friend give me one scrap of evidence that links Ali with Usmans murder?
And in turn I will provide you much evidence to the fact that Yazid personally instructed the Governor of Kufa and his chief of Army staff to "eliminate" the threat to his "divine gifted" power.
Fact is Yazid was a tyrant and many are shocked, nay mortified that the likes of you see him as innocent.
Yazids crimes are worse than the Pagans of pre Islamic Makah, worse even than the Tartars the Gok Turks and evn the Mongols.
Yazids crime is twofold for not only is he a traitor to the faith but also to humanity.
You ask for evidence to prove Yazid was guilty, let me now ask you for evidence (if it exists) that he was not.
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If I believe Yazid Martyred Hazrat Imam Husain or I believe he did not does it invalidate my eman on Islam ?
This question if for both the groups those who believe that Yazid killed Hazrat Imam Husain and the one who believes that Hazrat Imam Husain started an illegal khurooj against Yazid.
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Well Mirch bhai no it does not entirely eleminate your eman in Islam and you make a valid point.
Yet the way I see it defending the faith and even if need be taking up arms for it's cause is indeed one of the key tenets of our faith and even if you dont literally take up the sword you should still challenge every threat to it... by any means.
Imam Hussain was the grandson of the man who ,at least in my mind, is as important as the message he taught all Muslims. However accepting Yazid would be tantamount to desecrating that sacred message and when somone tries to defend Yazid he in so doing undermines the principals of the faith and thus becomes what many would call an apostate.
Indeed Karbala has often been repeated many times.
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What about the shahadat of Hazrat Usman and Umar then this question arises why didn't hazrat Ali punished those who killed Hazrat Umar or Usman (R.A) Why only Yazid ?
ofcourse those who martyred Hazrat Umar e Farooq radi Allah and Hazrat Usman e Ghani radi Allah should have been punished too but one cant really expect ill intention from Hazrat Ali karam Allah like the sort of person he was and after reading all those saying of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) regarding him and that are even not disputed by Sunni's and there is no way one can compare Hazrat Ali karam Allah with yazeed either so maybe the state of affairs was such in his time that he was consolidating power and empire and was looking for the ideal time to punish the perpetrators and in that course such events might have unfolded that were beyond his control and will and that prevented him from arresting those responsible for martyring second and third righteous caliphs.
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***Because Ali was the khalifa after Hazrat Usman* and this was his responsibility to punish those who killed Hazrat Usman. Why didn't he do that ? and why Only Yazid is cursed If he didn't punish those who killed Hazrat Hussain.**
- Hazrat Ali was not in charge during Hazrat Usman's death. Yazid was in charge of the state.
- Hazrat Ali did not pass the orders of Hazrat Usman's assassination, Yazid permitted Shamir to use all force necessary including the murder.
I dont involve myself into Shia/Sunni fueds but we all respect Hazrat Ali as one of the jaleel-ul-qadar sahabi. Its very unfortunate that you are trying to compare a person of his stature with someone like Yazid.
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Those of u supporting yazid and calling him innocent, there is no point of arguing with you, but didnt Yazeed keep Ahleybait of Hussain a.s captive in Syria after his Shahadat in Karbala? does that tell you anything ?
This is off the topic
What about the shahadat of Hazrat Usman and Umar then this question arises why didn't hazrat Ali punished those who killed Hazrat Umar or Usman (R.A) Why only Yazid ?
why didnt Mola Ali punish Usman's murder good logical question... Did Mola Ali keep Usman's Family captive after his death ? And then u also asked Why Mola Ali didnt Punish Umar's Murderer ..... That makes ur argument Logicless as question should be y didnt Usman punish umars murderer ?
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Oh man man man. Bro, this is just like that typical argument of why Imam Ali (as) stayed 'quiet' for 25 years. I don't know how many times I have said this before. Our Imams (as) were not petty beings.
We have a hadith that during the khilaafat of Hazrat Ali (as), 2 women came to him claiming that this boy is their child. Imam Ali (as) asked who the real mother is and they both said they are. Imam Ali (as) then bought 1 of his companions and told him to cut the boy in half to distribute each half to both women. Right when the companion rose his sword, one of the women said to give it to the other and that she doesn't want it.
She would rather keep the kid alive.. Just like Imam Ali (as) would rather keep Islam alive than killing such people. Mukhtar al-Thaqafi on the other hand was not masoom, and nobody ever told him to avenge the death of Imam Hussain (as).
This has nothing to do with Yazid killing Imam Hussain (as). Stop associating these 2 events together. You're only causing more fights and disagreements to spur.
Why have you completely ignored my previous post?
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Ibn Kathir says in Al-Bidayah, Volume 8, page 222,
‘Muslim was ordered to ransack Medina for three days. Yazeed committed a major sin. Sahaba and their children were slaughtered openly; other heinous acts were also perpetuated. We have already mentioned that he had Ibn Ziyad kill the grandson of Rasulullah (s) Hussain (as) and his companions. In those three days in Madina, it is difficult to mention the type of acts that were carried out. By doing this act Yazeed wanted to secure his governance, in the same way Allah (swt) broke the neck of every Pharoah, the true King (swt) also broke the neck of Yazeed.’
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Is al-Bidayah wal Nihaya not one of your most reliable sources? Why is that when you WANT something to be true, you take that hadith and emphasize it, but when you don't want to hear the wrong-doings of Yazid, you ignore Ibn Kathir and keep your heads buried in the sand?
And Aqeel bhai, awesome post. Why didn't Uthmaan punish the killers of Umar? I'm pretty sure most people agree on the fact that Rasoolallah (saw) was poisoned at that feast with the Jews. Why didn't Abu Bakr punish them?
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I think you need to think before you write. For a start if you want to be picky nobody killed Imam Hussain. For he is indeed a lot more alive than any of us in this thread. :)
Secondly you twist the facts of history with your assumptions.
Hazrat Usmans Murderers were soldiers in the employ of hazrat Usman. That treachery would naturally have been punished by Hazrat Ali if he were even allowed to excercise any jurisdiction over the army at all... as it turns out Hazrat Ali was in fact pretty much forced to accept the headship of Caliphate state. However by the time he finally agreed to take up the mantle the Umayads were already blaming him for the Murder...
I ask you friend give me one scrap of evidence that links Ali with Usmans murder?
And in turn I will provide you much evidence to the fact that Yazid personally instructed the Governor of Kufa and his chief of Army staff to "eliminate" the threat to his "divine gifted" power.
Fact is Yazid was a tyrant and many are shocked, nay mortified that the likes of you see him as innocent.
Yazids crimes are worse than the Pagans of pre Islamic Makah, worse even than the Tartars the Gok Turks and evn the Mongols.
Yazids crime is twofold for not only is he a traitor to the faith but also to humanity.
You ask for evidence to prove Yazid was guilty, let me now ask you for evidence (if it exists) that he was not.
**I didn't twist the history but Shias did for sure.
Listen what Imam Ghazali says about Yazid from the book (al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah)
*“Imaam Ghazai has opposed the attribution of open sinning and tyranny to Yazeed and has prohibited from abusing Yazeed because he was a muslim and it is not established he expressed happiness or joy on the death of Hussain….” (al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah (12/173).
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I didn't twist the history but Shias did for sure.
Listen what Imam Ghazali says about Yazid from the book (al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah) Shia's most authenticated book)
“Imaam Ghazai has opposed the attribution of open sinning and tyranny to Yazeed and has prohibited from abusing Yazeed because he was a muslim and it is not established he expressed happiness or joy on the death of Hussain….” (al-Bidaayah Wan-Nihaayah (12/173).
What in the world are you saying? Imam Ghazali was a Sunni scholar, and al-Bidayah is a Sunni book written by Ibn Kathir.
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Those of u supporting yazid and calling him innocent, there is no point of arguing with you, but didnt Yazeed keep Ahleybait of Hussain a.s captive in Syria after his Shahadat in Karbala? does that tell you anything ?
This is off the topic
why didnt Mola Ali punish Usman's murder good logical question... Did Mola Ali keep Usman's Family captive after his death ? And then u also asked Why Mola Ali didnt Punish Umar's Murderer ..... That makes ur argument Logicless as question should be y didnt Usman punish umars murderer ?
Yazeed was indeed Innocent. Infact Shimr bin Thil-Jawshan was responsible for Hussain's death and he was shia as recorded in both Sunni and Shia books. Shimr betrayed Hussain and joined Yazid’s men, giving Sayyiduna Hussain the death-blow.
To provide a solid proof of this fact (i.e. that Shimr was a Shia), we refer to the esteemed and classical Shia scholar, Al-Qummi. Al-Qummi, author of the famous book “Mafaatihul-Jinaan”, writes in his book: “I say, Shimr was in the forces of Ameer al-Mu’mineen on the Day of Siffin.” (Al-Qummi, “Safinatun-Najaat”, vol.4, p. 492, Chapter Sheen Followed by Meem)
Re: Did Yazeed Really killed Hazrat Hussain (R.A) ?
Yazeed was indeed Innocent. Infact Shimr bin Thil-Jawshan was responsible for Hussain's death and he was shia as recorded in both Sunni and Shia books. Shimr betrayed Hussain and joined Yazid’s men, giving Sayyiduna Hussain the death-blow.
To provide a solid proof of this fact (i.e. that Shimr was a Shia), we refer to the esteemed and classical Shia scholar, Al-Qummi. Al-Qummi, author of the famous book “Mafaatihul-Jinaan”, writes in his book: “I say, Shimr was in the forces of Ameer al-Mu’mineen on the Day of Siffin.” (Al-Qummi, “Safinatun-Najaat”, vol.4, p. 492, Chapter Sheen Followed by Meem)
I love how you're getting this from sites like ahlelbayt.com. You take the religion from the believer of the religion, not the person who bashes that religion =)
That does not mean he was a true Shia of Ali (as). The story of Shimr is that he was a man who was prisoned, Imam Ali (as) had released him on the request of one of his children, knowing he would behead Hussain (as). Shimr was not an actual Shia. It's called betrayal, son. Didn't the people run away in the battle of Uhud?
He killed Imam Hussain (as) on the orders of Yazid. As I have already posted TWICE from al-Bidayah, but you continue to ignore. What a shame.