Peace to you too psyah
I did read carefully what Hareem1 said. I do get your point now after you have elaborated.
Obviously we don’t have the same view when it comes to infallibility so I am not even gonna go there.
I think we do agree that the Prophet’s pbuh reform was a step by step reform, he cannot implement changes in one go. Thus it was a step by step procedure to ban things. Alcohol had to go, it was a matter of time.
Ali ibn Abi Talib
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The Holy Prophet had lost his father before he was born. At a very early age he also lost his mother, Amina, and his grandfather Abdul Muttalib. Thereafter it was his uncle, Abu Talib who took care of him and brought him up. Abu Talib had a very large family. He was rather a poor man. When Ali was bron, the Holy Prophet was a grown up man. He had wife and children. **So he took Ali to his own home and brought him up **like his own son. He did this to take a little burden off the shoulders of his loving uncle. But this had another effect too. **Ali grew up in the atmosphere of virtue and piety which no other home could provide.
This early training left a lasting effect on Ali’s mind. *It gave him a keen vision and a passionate love for truth. Above all, it made him a fearless fighter in the way of Allah. These qualities were later to prove a rare asset for Islam.
But based on the above information Hazrat Ali a.s. was brought up by the Prophet pbuh. Are you saying Hazrat Ali a.s. was without guidance and could be completely wrong and *most of all *his lifestyle was based on jahiliya even though his teacher was the best teacher in this whole universe? That he probably drank alcohol coz he was part of jahilyah?
It’s not about infallibity here nor about being a close relative, it’s about an individual’s character - let’s start from his childhood n see what his character was like. It’s logic that I am trying to understand. I am not interested in shia sunni debates. Where did alcohol come into his life from? How do you justify his drinking of alcohol?