If it was after the coming of the Surah prohibiting muslims from consuming alcohol that muslims refrained from drinking it. I was wondering what about other Prophets like Prophet Abrahim, Prophet Musa and especially Prophet Isa (It seems Christian associate wine so much with him) {Peace be Upon Them All.}
So did they drink since they surah prohibiting consumption of alcohol was srevealed at the time of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)?
Pls don’t tell me how this would not increase my imaan or how there are many issues more important than this to discuss.
I simply have this question and want an answer. Thanks.
If it was after the coming of the Surah prohibiting muslims from consuming alcohol that muslims refrained from drinking it. I was wondering what about other Prophets like Prophet Abrahim, Prophet Musa and especially Prophet Isa (It seems Christian associate wine so much with him) {Peace be Upon Them All.}
So did they drink since they surah prohibiting consumption of alcohol was srevealed at the time of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)?
Pls don't tell me how this would not increase my imaan or how there are many issues more important than this to discuss.
I simply have this question and want an answer. :) Thanks.
Re: Did the Prophets before Mohammad (pbuh) drink?
their are other things too.
he never lied.
He was called "amin"
in ghar-y-hira where he used to sit and meditate, you could see kaba from there.
In fact only thing you could see from there was kaba.
I guess prophet was "selected" way before he knew it him self.:)
Wait - the prophets before Mohammad were not muslim, so the Surah etc don't apply to them
dude drinking became wrong when God wanted it to be stopped.
So 2000 year ago it was fine to drink. But if you ask me prophets were chosen ppl they must have avoided drinking or atleast they must have avoided getten impaired.
Re: Did the Prophets before Mohammad (pbuh) drink?
Oh I agree that prophets being smart people would have figured out on their own the ill of getting drunk (as opposed to drinking) and so wouldn't and shouldn't need a diktat such as 'though shall not drink'.
Re: Did the Prophets before Mohammad (pbuh) drink?
That is why I think we should make a distinction between drinking and getting drunk. After all a couple of glasses of red wine a week is medically good it seems
Re: Did the Prophets before Mohammad (pbuh) drink?
^ that is why Islam came, where ALLAH SWT himself took the responsibility of safeguarding Quran because earlier nations were given opportunities to not only protect the word of God but also spread it....but instead member of elite class started to use it for their own purposes-politics, and there would had been no Protestant Reformation
fish, wine, apple and god knows how many other allegories have filled the entire Christianity. they were[are] used so much that they turned into the word of divine, and people started to believe those myths.
That is why I think we should make a distinction between drinking and getting drunk. After all a couple of glasses of red wine a week is medically good it seems
There are other alternatives to antioxidants than using wine. So it goes to say that wine is primarily drank for its taste rather than its benefits, its benefits are being explored in more recently to justify its drinking. You are welcome to make your distinctions and in Islam muslims have the distinction they need as well .... no intoxicants, its pretty distinct.
Re: Did the Prophets before Mohammad (pbuh) drink?
Perfumes are intoxicating. Hookha is intoxicating....whether now or arabian nights period, all stories about muslims involve drinking, smoking and perfumes. So what distinction are you talking about that muslims have?
What's wrong with taking a wine in moderation when it is good for you? Do people eat only for nutritious value or for taste and associated pleasure?
Perfumes are intoxicating. Hookha is intoxicating....whether now or arabian nights period, all stories about muslims involve drinking, smoking and perfumes. So what distinction are you talking about that muslims have?
Well your welcome to bing on perfumes, can't stop that. Hokka is intoxicating when intoxicants are added to it. Muslims drinking does not invalidate anything that we are taught in Islam. It simply means we are transgressing our limits and following what we are supposed to. You need to get the precedence correct. Muslims will be judged against Islamic teachings, Islam will not be on trial for how muslims behaved. We will be judged by God for what we did and accountable for it against what we should have been doing.
once you dissociate the word muslim from Islam? That's interesting. Cristians and Jews actively reject what you call Islam, pray to a different God, their values are completely different, what they understand as God's message are very very different from what you guys (ie muslims) believe it to be.
The only reason I can see why you (muslims) would want Christians and Jews to be called muslims is to ride on their antiquity. Why is that so important?
So true....BTW, My prophet says... " Piyo aur peeney do " that's the way to go !
While we are done with Get Smart and USR, can we all get back to the question at hand. When Allah forbidded Alcohol, he also gave us a reason why - coz it's intoxicating and make one forget prayers etc and also because there is more harm to it than good. Jo aj kay liya evil thee wo thou kal kay liya bhee evil honee chaiya. Even if the christian brethens have a quote like **Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whoever is deceived thereby is not wise. **as Hareem1 just mentioned.
Yusuf Ali: [2:219] They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit."
But no one came up with a definite answer.
My question came up after I read the topic on Dr Israr's claims based on the hadith that Hazrat Ali a.s drank alcohol (I know it claims that this was before the verse came down).
I personally believe that the Prophets (pbu them all) didn't consume alcohol and so did Hazrat Ali a.s. I believe someone taught and brought up by the Prophet won't touch such a thing. Alcohol is so much associated with evil
So it's surprising to see ppl accept that Hazrat Ali a.s. - "the gate of knowledge" drank alcohol and then I thought - what about the prophets then, what do ppl think about them with regard to consuming alcohol.
I thought someone would come with a definite answer from a Ahle Sunnah wal Jammat perspective but it looks like there's not much reference to this.
Thanks.