Did partition benefit the muslims of the sub continent?

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^^^ I don't know what you went through or are going through to not see the value in Pakistan, but I can assure you that if there is any survey conducted at anytime in Pakistan you will find that overwhelming majority views creation of Pakistan as the best thing that could have happened before the departure of the British from the subcontinent.

I know some Pakistanis who live outside of Pakistan getting bullied by Indians into giving up their political rights in order to keep their human rights. Mostly liberal Pakistanis face this problem as they try to "integrate" but keep getting rejected over one excuse or another. I know some Pakistani children who are getting bullied in their school by Indian children, who are in majority in those neighborhoods. Their parents are ultra liberal and couldn't care less about Pakistan, yet their children get bullied a lot. The parents have come to a point that they too mistakenly believe that if the word Pakistan was not in the dictionary, their lives would have been much easier.

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Aap sai ! :bizz: Statoo of liberty!

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Aap sai ! :bizz: Statoo of liberty!

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I have not met a single Baloch personally who did not support separation, Most Pashtuns in Uni also supported separation all the Mohajirs I know are not happy with 90 percent Punjab police colonizing Karachi. Punjab, Army and elites have done really well. As I say young kids getting trafficked due to poor economy is not really freedoms
Attacks on establishment on weekly basis does show that not all is good.

Bombing Pashtun and Balochs, enforced disappearances, tortures, abductions killing of journalists, hanging elected PM and army subjugation of civilians is not freedom.

I think Pakistanis have less rights than Kashmiris, Civilians in Pak have been bombed by airforce and army,

News about civilian murders are available all over media, anyone can see them. Also human rights records and freedom of faith records are all there.

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A simple question cannot be answered, why is 90 percent brutal Police force in KHI from Punjab. Would Lahori accept 90 percent Mohajirs police force!
@decentGuy

When the most popular leader in the history of Pakistan is decrying Facism!!!! How delusional do we have to be to gloat about freedoms?

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I am talking about Taliban wanting to unite KP with Afghanistan, they are refusing to accept the international border and all Baloch separatists organizations and Taliban uniting against Pak army. So far they have been attacking very regularly. Leaving civilians alone and only targeting authorities. With the amount of weapons they inherited from US and their propensity for war, I feel things will be hard to control. I feel that IK is the only leader that has respect of all ethnicities, he is the only one who can unite Pakistan.

The traitor Generals backstabbed China and first Bajwa overstepped Protocol and spoke over PM to criticize Russia, Now this guy is sending tanks to Ukraine

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@SleekDesign no I am not meatlman, the people I knew were the Sardars of very large tribes and influenced many people. The default in Pak army is to rule with fear, I think they need to be a lot nicer to these people, invite them for negotiations and let Baloch's have a share of the wealth. Same with KP, if Pashtuns want Sharia, Taliban sort of government then they should be allowed to vote on it.

Our Quebec province was fighting hard for independence and we let them vote on it and they lost and things are quiet. I was not happy with the fact that army bombed and killed Akbar Bugti and his family. We don't have these kinds of troubles here because we treat people with fairness.

I don't like IK however democracy should prevail, your personal opinion does not trump 230 million people's right to elect their leader. If he is so bad, let elections decide.

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Thank you for your post. The amount of such Pakistanies is alot more than you can imagine. Not “some”. & they may not necessarily be “ultra liberal” to face all the bullying. Bullying that those indians & their kids could be arrested for but Pakistanis are too stupid & do not raise a voice or fight those ghundagards. The “fitna-baazi” is in the DNA of those indians & similar fitnabaaz from Pakistan join them to burn down the country because they’re too low on intellect to understand the bigger picture & goal of hindutva squad. Pakistanis engaging distanced from religion & with no awareness & care about the struggle the ancestors went through for this separate land obviously are fooled by their bags & love of the world that they’ll have all the freedom in india as muslims which is not true. They’ll be worse than slaves because those who are not true to their motherland & join the enemy for the world are not respected even by their exploiters. How can those thay cheat on their own country be honest to them ? So they all are used like tissue papers & gotten rid of. Pakistani history full of such “traitors”. First they cause them worldly harm, then exploit them against state, misuse them to damage Pakistan & then get rid of them all together or one by one. The only ones that are aware of this “chaal” of the enemy, refuse joining their ranks for the world can stay protected from the fitnabaaz anti-pak hindu/Jewish nexus that have similar anti-pak friends all over the world.

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You are abusing the most popular leader of Pakistan, he is most definitely the most loved ever leader and supporting the alleged most despised and corrupt people who robbed the country into bankruptcy and you are the patriot?
I think you are the one getting played by the enemies of Pakistan. Anyone supporting Dollar Generals and imported govt is no friend of Pakistan.

You are not the God of Pakistan who has the ability to supersede the will of that nation

Pakistanis have spoken, they want Imran, look at his Jalsaa

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Which jalsa ?

Here is something for you. Read that part about the rise in crackdown on journalists & crimes against them & the fascist activities & implementation of fascism accelratd under luCCha niazi. Read carefully also the refeence to human rights watch report. Better yet find the report itself:

These are no lies incase your zombie mind tells you that. That is true oqaat of fascist party potty-i. hindutva squad on fast track to turn whole of Pakistan into another Kashmir. If all these druggies together could do nothing to stop those fascist activities during ther own government then what were they busy with ? loot-maar ? That is what the country economy says after potty-i governing 13 years in KP & 4 years in all of Pakistan.

I cannot believe you are unaware of all that. I truly believe you are supporting luCCha niazi because you know very well he is planted by the enemies of Pakistan.

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When the Ukraine war started, there were too many mixed reports & none clear about what actually was going on there. I figured that russian president & army was being misguided, most likely by hidden snakes in their ranks too, but not sure who exactly. So the war ended up killing Ukrainian muslims, destabilizing the country. Which is what the focus of the global anti-Muslim mafia has been always. To kill as many muslims as possible all over the world & to destabilize financially well off muslim families, break their homes or even the countries with most muslim populous countries /cities. Those sights were heart breaking. So I stopped following the war because in situations like these, you can only pray for protection of muslims & the control of satanic anti-Muslim global mafia to end.

Regarding jalsa, i could not watch complete video except intr. But noticed the wider drone views are not shown. The state of KP after 10 years of their governance, if they are reelected there, that would be nothing but army & hidden group interference only to give impression as if they were elected by people. Because no sane mind would want to reelect them. Similarly, after 4 years of them totally drowning the country, it is clear the same secret groups that brought them to power previously are active again to use every fould method to bring them back which obviously is not going to benefit Pakistan seeing how these druggies have no sense of fighting the enemy, making policies to benefit the country. In simple words, these goons did not know how to govern the country & gave it away to IMF to government. Chor, daaku prevailed & became stronger under the druggie.

Good people of Pakistan want a stable, successful country that does not keep begging for survival but the begging part got worse under him as well as all the other affairs in the country went out of hands as if there was no governing body... only criminals, corrupts eating out the country to their hearts desires proving that he left all the daakoos ghundaas to do the loot-maar freely as they pleaded. The only policies they take credit for were made by previous government.

Just like all the good Pakistanis, I'm only praying for this country. Last Ramadan also many people were praying because they were highly concerned about what had become & where luCCha khan & goons lead it to. It was then when these corrupt druggies were removed. This ramadan also, people are praying for the country, not for any corrupt. Now what actually is going to come out, no one knows. However, how they brought the country to this economic default & it got worse every day, no sane Pakistani would want them back.

This clip is no better than putting up a show. These goons should stick to their homes dancing, drugging because that is what they're best at, not governing the country to correct direction. Anti-pak indian squad wants them back to because there was no crack down on corrupt & the criminals under them.

This guy will hand the whole country to india, turn into kashmir with worst slavery not seen before. That is what I feel. The evil, negative, corrupt hidden groups that hide in different institutions in Pakistan became alot more active. Now the population is forced to pay for their corruption by letting them suck more blood off their veins through mind blowing inflation. All the corrupt were given complete control to loot-maar the country.

Pakistanies not living in Pakistan did not see all of that so they can be easily fooled by these gimmicks online.

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Ukranian army consists of mostly racists and they have a reputation of hating Muslims, there have been a lot of reports on SM about Ukrainian Refugees being unhappy to see many Muslims in Europe. You can’t just invent facts to serve your narrative. Russians did massacre a lot of Muslims Chechnya but only a fraction of several millions in western wars. On the one hand you are unhappy with US, West, Israel and here you are supporting ghaddars who are serving them.

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Simple answer to your simple question is that people in Karachi know the horrible working conditions and the horrible work-culture of jobs in Police department. Most people in Karachi won’t even marry someone who works in police. When I was young, my cousin started working in police because he couldn’t find any other job. His immediate family had not told anyone about his job, but everyone found out about that only after I saw him wearing police uniform in the neighborhood. Soon after, family pressure led him to leave that police job. As a result people from villages or rural areas are mostly found in police.

As far as “the most popular leader” is concerned, I think he should not have resisted arrest and should face charges against him in courts as every other political leader before him has.

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Bobby1, here’s another:

https://fb.watch/jxVFDa7NVO/?mibextid=DcJ9fc

Do not be fooled by media gimmicks. There are also pictures from 2018 of minar jalsa being shared by potty-ies.

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I know thousands of Muhajirs who wanted those jobs, In my youth there, this was a topic most young men were very angry about. I was reading on my NED Whatsapp group that also most administrative jobs are also held by Punjabis. Most police officers are filthy rich. I would support his arrest when Bajwa, Sharrifs, Maryam, Kiyani who stole hundreds of billions are arrested. Gen Rehmans sons are the richest Pakistanis on looted wealth. TBH I am not hopeful that things will ever get better as many dont have the value system needed for a nation to thrive. US wants to make Pak cannon fodder again, all Arab countries, Turkey, Africa etc are moving toward russia/China alliance yet Ghaddars are pulling Pak towards US/Israel/West block…how is that for national/religious pride?

The same arguments were presented before 71.

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You know the simplest answer is to hold honest and fair elections, we should let the people decide. It is a very complicated choice for people, world order is changing and US wants Pak to be the new Israel in the region where almost all countries are moving to cooperate with Russia/China Block.

I know Pakistanis will not fight to save IK if he is attacked by military, Sannaullah has threatened his life publicly. So here is the answer, Pakistani population is more oppressed than any Muslim population in the world.

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Excuse me ? Where did you find me being unhappy with “west” ??? I am unhappy with US for carrying out all the world wars including Iraq war claiming Iraq to have WMD but none were found & Afghanistan claiming they sent planes to hit the towers only to impose india on Afghanistan & everyone knows how terrorism was sponsored in all of Pakistan after that using Afghanistan. & I am unhappy with israel for illegally taking over Palestine, killing natives & bulldozing their homes.

And I do not take as a friend any country at war with my own country because I support my country. What “facts” did I “invent” by supporting my country ? What accusations are those ? When I know all that instability in the country is caused on-purpose by planting luCCha khan by Pakistan’s enemies to make him a cover to impose fascism & all the fair governments that were building the country were removed by the same enemy then how can support him ?

Do you deny CPEC was started by PML-N but was brought to halt under luCCha khan niazi to keep Pakistan destablize ? It was restarted again after removal of luccha & friends. If his inclination really was towards china/russia bloc, why did he freeze CPEC ? Under whose orders or directions if the fool was not under the influence of anti-Pak secret groups of the enemy?

You are a foolish that does not understand all the conspiracy of the secret groups to keep Pakistan destabilized no matter what bloc it is with. My concern is about a stable Pakistan & good friends. I do not support those hidden secret groups of our enemy. That is what I am in my “narrative”.​

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USA, west and Israel act in unison they are sort of one and the same and yes they have destabilized the Muslim world and now China has been a friend of Pk. Pakistan first helped USA against Taliban, than backstabbed them by secretly supporting Taliban and now they are backstabbing China by supporting war against Russia/China

Khan was removed because he defied US in not condemning Russia and not agreeing to backstab China.
The Generals are Ghaddars and sellouts, every single Pakistani I meet here loves IK, doctors, engineers and all Pakistani in west are starting petition against Shariff and Generals who should never be allowed entry here.

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Again, quite a twisted “narrative”. Who told you Punjabis are not muhajirs ??? MQM or its master RAW ??? More than than half Pakistani punjabis are muhajirs. Every other punjabi you meet, his/her ancestors migrated to Pakistan. The term “muhajir” was ‘invented’ by RAW to create affliction between different MUHAJIR ethnicities living in Sindh. My own & divide them all. Bear in mind, the largest migrants to Pakistan were punjabi muhajirs than any other ethnicity. If you do not believe me then ask anyone. That is the reason you see mostly punjabis. That does not mean they’re not muhajirs. All the people using these incorrect terms that were invested by RAW to create a non-ending series of division between people are all contaminated by the same hate that was spread all over Pakistan but especially in Sindh to divide people. People need to start using correct terms to describe ethnicities. Stop believing & saying that punjabis are not muhajirs.

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False accusations & more false accusations. Pott-ies used the same technique of spreading lies, hate & toxicity to spread misinformation & paranoia about the good people of Pakistan. Exactly the same technique as has historically been used by india against Pakistan through media. rovide the clip which as per you Sanaullah “threatening” his life publicly.

luCCha selfish fitna niazi has damaged the country so bad that patriotic Pakistanis really would not care if anything happens to him. But still their dirty technique of falsely accusing their opponents of the fascism that they themselves carried out against them, most would not want the enemy to kill him & use that as a new accusations against the good leaders. So for sue no one from PML-N wants to kill him. But offcourse all the unfairness he attacked his opponents will get to him too as that is nature’s rule.​