Did Our Prophet Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) had a Shadow?

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As Salaamu 'alaiykum,

I don’t think that personal interpretation and speculation such as what you have just said is worth getting into. These descriptions were not given of him (saws), so such speculation should not even be discussed. Ask these questions to a learned scholar of ahadith, one such scholar I will recommend to you brother, is Shaykh Muhammad bin Yahya al-Ninowy, who has studied and memorized enumerous ahadiths with their chains of transmissions at the feat of scholars of Al-Azhar and Mashayakeen of Damascus. He himself is Syrian. You can find out more information about him here: http://www.alhaqq.net

wa’ as-salaam.

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^ i do not take an illogical thing from anyone, even if he was the most learned scholar....

there is no reason why someone wud not have a shadow....

the only reason why i see ppl denying the shadow of muhammad (saw) is to prove that he was not human, but noor, which i completely reject as it is against the teachings of the Quran....
and anything against Quran, even if it is hadith with the strongest and most authentic chain, shud be rejected....

You can tell its an asian shop when.....
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As Salaamu 'alaiykum,

You still don't get it. Look at the way you even refer to our beloved Prophet (saws)...can you not even say Rasul-Allah (saws) instead of referring to him (saws) as just 'Muhammad'? Nauzubillah, this is the way Abu Jahl spoke.

Your analysis is quite flawed. By already reaching a concluding statement as to the motives behind people believing that Rasul-Allah (saws) is this way or another, any truth which comes your way, you will deny it based on your personal interpretation. This is the basis of all problems with those who take it upon themselves to become scholars, all on their own. This is the route of all problems, self satisfaction and gratification, self-praise, that I know, I know I know. Could it be that you really don't? Obviously you don't think so, and I will not bother at trying to make you understand what I have just said, as hard as it has been.

Finally, no one has said that Sayyidina Rasul-Allah (saws) is not human. What you might want to try to conceptualize is that what others and myself have said, is that he was not just any other regular person. He was given the station of Nubuwwat from Allah Azza wa jaal, and all prophets are Ma'sum (infallible), meaning that they are incapable of making mistakes. So answer this question, do you know any person who is incapable of making a mistake? That is just one example of the miracle of our most honoured and beloved prophet (saws) of Allah azza wa jaal.

Sayyidina Muhammad al-Mustafa (saws), knew what would happen in the future throughout and beyond 1427 years. Do you know anyone whom Allah azza wa jaal has bestowed such a favour upon? Once again, this is not just any other person, who is 'just like the rest of us.' Allah jalla jalalu granted him the station and permission to allow people to see things and not see things as per his decision, by Allah's leave. One of our prophet's (saws) names is even "NUR" (saws), along with his other names, habib-Allah (Allah's most beloved), Ahmed (The most praised one) which is the name first given to him by his blessed mother lady Aminah (ra); here are more of his names/titles:

as-Sadiq (the most truthful)
Al-Amin (the most trustworthy)
Harith 'alaiykum (watchful over you)
Hadiyatullah (the gift of Allah)
Kamil (the perfect)
Mahmud (the most highly praised)
Miftah ul-Jannah (the key of paradise)
Misbah (the lantern)
Munir (the illumined one)
Siraj (the lamp)
Mushaffa (the one whose intercession is accepted)
Mustafa (the chosen one)
Naasir (the helper)
Ni'matullah (the blessings of Allah)
Wajih (the eminent)
Sayfullah (the sword of Allah)

He was given these names because he had all of these qualities, plus numerous others which I have not even listed. That is why, as the (khatimul-Ambiya) seal of prophethood, as the leader of the prophets (Imamul-Ambiya), he has such stations, for he had the qualities of all the prophets, and beyond that.

He is Nur sent by Allah jalla jalalu, because his light is hidden shining within our hearts even today. It is up to us to notice it.

Human logic is limited and flawed when compared to the grandeur of knowledge which is unseen and beyond our understanding when we reject faith - this is the basis of faith, Iman, to believe in the unseen. So insha'Allah, if you can understand divine order of things as being superior to our human limitations, you will see that Rasul-Allah (saws) was on the path to establish divine rules and divinely ordained ways of life when he came to Dunya as a mercy and shining light for us all, through his example and through his miracles.

Many people put Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala on a scale and say Iblis, nauzubillah, is the opposite end of Allah - this is blatently a false predicament, as even shaytan is under the power of Allah's jalla jalalu will and control.

The one who is most damaging and dangerous to shaytan is rasul-Allah (saws). Even though all of us Muslims believe that Shaytan can exist throughout the world infinetely whispering into the hearts of mankind, without anyone ever seeing him, what do you know about the status of Rasul-Allah (saws)? What, you don't believe that our beloved (saws) is more powerful than shaytan?

Our rasul-Allah (saws) is our beloved messenger and saviour from the fire. Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala does not talk to us and teach us directly - he sends his representatives, KHALIFATULLAH (Allah's vicegerents/representatives) on Earth, to speak on His (jalla jalalu) behalf. Our prophet (saws) is the best representative, he is not just any other person. He is superior to every other human that has, does, and ever will exist on the face of the Earth.

In finality, I hope you understand, that when a person says that the prophet (saws) is a perspicious light, as Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala describes him in the Qur'an, then that person is not denying that he (saws) is not also bashr (a human being).

Wassalaam.

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^ Jazakallah brother, you and I have done our best to show the igno'rants' the glory of Mohammad (saw) but they'll carry on being stubborn and taking verses out of context without understanding thousands of hidden meanings each and every verse implies, but then they may even say 'quran is just another book and there are no hidden meanings'

well... depends on your faith.

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^ yes, very well depends on the faith....
our faith is that Quran says Muhammad (saw) was as much human as any one of us, and those who believe that he was noor, Quran has already denied Muhammad (saw) being created from noor (i.e. bein gan angel, cuz angels r the creations of Allah that He made from noor) by saying that a human has been appointed as a messenger, and if the earth was in habited by angels, an angel wud have been sent to them....

but u ppl get it wrong....
if Muhammad (saw) was not like normal humans, people cud have very easily rejected what Allah sent through him by saying "hey u can do this because u r not human, but humans cannot do like this"....
but that excuse was not given, Muhammad (saw) was sent as an example, so Allah can tell the sinners that if this normal human being cud do as I ordered, why did u fail....

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u ppl r doing what other nations did to their prophets i.e. raised them to higher attributes so that some turned them into gods, others made them sons of God, and u r trying to do something similar....

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What is this? :rolleyes: I thouhgt it was a simple question but amazed to see such long discussion.:rolleyes:

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What you said reminds me of the following hadith from Sahih Muslim:

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Book 034, Number 6448:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?
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As a moderator sister Sadiyah, I am quite surprised that after all that has been discussed here, you continually attempt to maintain your own status quo which appeases to a certain view in these forums.

It is also quite outrageous to the extreme views held by many here, who are comparing the beliefs of the Yahudi wal Nisara to that of Muslims throughout the world. Before Mawlid was ever discussed here, all of your lot denied the fact that Mawlid was celebrated in Arab countries. Now after substantial proof has been presented, you don't deny it but talk by saying Brelvis and what not, and say things like, 'oh milad is not celebrated in such and such way as it is in arab countries.'

I know now that you subscribers to ahl' ul-hadith and the salafite cult, have absolutely no idea what muslims in the world follow. If you are so preoccupied with the so called shirk and bid'ah of brelvi's in India and Pakistan, then you should also do it to the largest Arab country in teh world, which is Egypt - in which Mawlid un-Nabi is a national holiday and processions are held in the streets and all the shops are closed. Or go to Malaysia, one of the best countries in the world, where Mawlid un-Nabi is also celebrated in the streets and is considered to be a national holiday. Go to Uzbekistan, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Ethiopia, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Yaman, and Iraq; you will see how Mawlid is celebrated in all of these countries as well. Your argument of indo-pakistani brelvi mawlids is useless, pointless and deserves no further discussion. Allah knows what is in the hearts of his servants, so don't you dare accuse other Muslims of shirk and bid'ah because they choose to express their love and admiration for rasul-Allah (saws). What foolishness, shame on you people.

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Ya_Sultan_e_Madina, how convenient! You basically copy/pasted your entire response in two different threads.

I don't quite see this thread based around mawlid, rather it's about whether or not Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had a shadow or not.

As for the hadith that I posted, it was in response to what armughal had said. I don't see how I have crossed any bounds or limits.

If I am one extreme, then you're certainly the other extreme.

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Yes I copied and pasted is purposely, for your convenience.

Just imagine, I have shown that there is a differnece of opinion in believing if he (saws) had a shadow or not and that both are accepted

I've shed light on the issue of proper and sound Aqeedah

I've shown the permissibility of Mawlid un-Nabi through various ahadith and ayats of the Qur'an

But you are welcome to believe still what you have always believed, that is totally up to you. Just don't think that I will sit back and take shots of quotations you have used throughout these forums with the spellings of Allaah and Albaani and Abu Haneefah, Qur'aan, Hadeeth.....whether you know or not, I don't know, but wherever you see spelling like this, it is usually from Salafi sources. So you may say what you wish.

Do you still think that you can be a Muslim just by following the Qur'an and Sunnah alone, when Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala orders us in the Qur'an:

4:59, {O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and
those of you who are in authority over you; and if you have a dispute concerning any
matter, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the
Last Day; that is best and more suitable to the end.}

This is where you follow the ijma of the Ulema and Ummah itself. There is more to Islam than meets the eye. Islam is spiritual, not only wordly logically and mathematically defined precepts of human understanding.

what will u do
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  1. You hardly know me and you hardly know anything about my beliefs.

  2. My beliefs haven't always been of such nature. I've spent time studying and researching. Hence, I believe in what has made the most amount of sense to me.

  3. There's a difference of opinion. I do not have the time to be sitting here and bickering with you. I am entitled to believe and practice what I want and you're free to believe and practice in what you deem to be correct.

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So true it all depends of faith.

See what the Quran has to say:

He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical.

But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding [3:7]

what will u do(part II)
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That is why when an allegorical verse is presented, you should not take it as being muhkamat - they remain allegorical, and we do not apply literal interpretation to them, literal and clear verses which are muhkamat are meant only for our own human perception. This ayat refers to allegorical verses to be maintained and not to be applied as muhkamat. Think about that.

Let me help clarify this ayat a bit more based on my study of these different categories of verses as explained by our greatest Sunni Ulema. Just briefly I can clarify a bit here.

Arguments and confusion and perversity arise when we apply human understanding upon allegorical verses - THIS IS WHAT THIS AYAT MEANS, do not be fooled.

When Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala says, "I am the light of the heavens and the Earth," which is an allegorical verse, if one were to apply human understanding and reason upon this ayat, and treat it as being muhkamat, then such people, who have done so in the past, namely the mujassima and the mutazilites, they looked at Allah jalla jalalu as being that light which surrounded them. That is where perversion begins,
ibn Sadique.

Insha'Allah, ibn Sadique, now it is high time to start to cultivate our understanding, so that more of us may be among those who will grasp the Message.

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^ that is exactly what ibn-e-sadique is saying....

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No it is not.

Clarification was needed, because the secret about Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala which is the hidden meaning of such allegorical verses, is known to us when we subdue and maintian control over our nafs ul-amara, our insinuating self, which tries to put into perspective everything whether it be our souls or ilm ul-ghayb into human precepts of understanding. We cannot put our souls under a microscope is the point which I am making here. But we can KNOW that we have souls, even though we cannot see them. But in order for us to know what our souls are, we must first take control of the side of us which insinuates us towards fitnah and evil. That is exactly why Rasul-Allah (Saws) told us, that one who knows himself, knows his Lord. We know that Allah's subhanahu wa ta 'ala attributes are true about Him, Almighty, such as An-Nur, as we have absolutely no right to say that the light which we human beings know of, whether it be artificial or sunlight, is compararable to Allah's jalla jalalu's light, nauzubillah; there is no way for the human being to grasp an understanding of his light ever. We only know him by that description alone, and that is it, but the point is that we do know that this is his attribute, without applying human preconceptions upon it. In this way, that is how a Muslim understands what it means when you are praying your salah, and Rasul-Allah (saws) answered in the hadith qudsi to the question by arch-angel Jibrail (alaiyhis-salaam) of what is ihsan, he (saws) replied, it is to worship Allah as if you see Him (Jalla Jalalu), and if you cannot achieve this state, then remember that He (Jalla Jalalu) is seeing you.

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Sultan of Madina and Syed Mohsin...

these people are those ignorants that are mentioned in the quran, they have seals on their hearts and minds and cannot/will-not understand what you are saying. They have their own interpretations and cannot see any other type of understanding.

Hazoor paak didnt have a shadow - This is what I learned at mosque as a child.

"Allah Almighty does not let your shadow fall on the ground, so that no foot of man can fall on it"

I suppose you can translate this to - he had a shadow - but it wasnt visible to any other being...

Nabi paak was noor, he was not normal like us. How can you even compare yourself to him? the world was made for him..We are not saying he is Allah or nauzabillah, gods son..? uff we're saying - we cannot compare ourselves to him..

Armughal - be a little open minded yaar - so many logical explanations are being given to you - open your mind a little bit.

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Islam is made up of Quran and Sunnah…

There nothing hidden, secret, covered, disguised or shady about either the Quran or Sunnah…They are very clear about everything…So, if according to you ignorance is following the Quran and Sunnah strictly, can you tell us what Islam is?

And the Hadith you quotes is by Hz. Usman :razi:…I don’t think you should be quoting people whom your faith hates just because it supports your arguments…

And Islam is not about following logic…It is about following Allah :swt:'s commands…If logic were to be followed then Muslims would be eating pork and drinking wine…Because we can use logic to counter these prohibitions…

And since you wish to use logic and follow Islam, then the Quran explicitly said that the Holy Prophet :saw: was a regular human being…And logic says that whatever is solid will cast a shadow…

So going by Islam and logic both, it is evident that the Holy Prophet :saw: had a shadow like anyone else…

Now, instead of telling ARMUghal to follow logic, how about you?

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What logic are you talking about? ^^
As a muslim - you shouldnt be questioning ‘logic’.. and many many theories have proved for islam to be the right religion - so if your logic tells you to eat pork and drink wine - go rite ahead. my logic tells me that there is one allah.. and hazoor paak was his last prophet.

as for quran and sunnat. the logic comes in to play when there are so many different interpretations.. this is where you need to open your mind and see if what you believe hasnt been misinterpreted.. or might you be following the wrong leader.. and as for the saying about the shadow.. funnily enough - i went to an indian-wahabi mosque as a child.. so it isnt ironic that I should be re-laying what uthman said.. :stuck_out_tongue:

if you equate hazoor paak to yourself - thats fine - he was a human, you are a human?? happy now? :rolleyes:

lets quickly compare..

  1. Allah chose him to spread his message …he was the chosen one.
  2. Angel Gabriel came down to him and gave him the divine message
  3. his daughter is jannat ki malika..
  4. his son in law is sher-e-khuda
  5. he went to the arsh..
  6. the sun and moon are his ghulam..
  7. whatever he says/does is by the will of allah..

now compare that to yourself?

me thinx - there is no comparison.

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^ all that is excellence of character, and physical attributes r something else....

having a shadow is a physical phenomenon for all solid things, and if a thing does not have a shadow it is also not visible....

r u impying that muhammad (saw) was invisible????

kucch aqal se kaam lo, dont follow what ur fathers and forefathers said even if it fails to meet logic....