Did Osama Bin Laden Win ?

Bin Laden’s laughter echoes across the West
Simon Jenkins

http://www.paknews.com/headingNews.php?id=1991&date1=2003-03-20

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Osama bin Laden hovers over events in the Gulf as he hovered over Mr Blair’s dispatch box. History will surely rate this stateless psychopath as potent beyond all imaginings. He did not just kill 3,000 people. His single act entered so deep into US psychology as to traumatise its sense of security and well-being. He devastated the economy of a city, New York, and a whole country. He turned Americans in on themselves, fortifying their houses, buying gas masks, fearing dark-skinned foreigners and screaming at the sight of powder. He bankrupted their airline companies. He emptied their office blocks. He made them suspend habeas corpus.

Bin Laden incited one war, of America against Afghanistan. He licensed another, the revived Palestinian suicide intifada and thus Israeli retaliation. He fuelled fundamentalist dissent in Egypt, Pakistan and Turkey. He made every American and Briton in the Middle East fear for his life.

Then early last year the unthinkable became thought, an all-out American war on the quiescent Saddam lest he “might” form an alliance with the Scarlet Pimpernel bin Laden. By an act of psychological transference, fear of bin Laden became fear of Iraq. Washington and London suddenly found themselves expecting attack from bin Laden and, by proxy, Saddam. Tanks raced back and forth to airports. Bunkers were built. Tourists were driven to stay at home. War became a matter of “self-defence”.

Britain and America have now allowed bin Laden to goad them to a conflict that has divided the West more fiercely than the Soviet Union ever did during the Cold War. Bin Laden has split Europe. He has reawakened “ugly American” diplomacy and reopened wounds between the New World and the Old. He has split Europe from America. He has split Russia from America. He has divided America within itself. He has made Iraq’s old friend, Jacques Chirac, a domestic hero unparalleled since de Gaulle.

Bin Laden has left Nato inert as an alliance supposedly under threat. He has destroyed, possibly for ever, the ambition of a common European Union foreign and defence policy. He has also destroyed Tony Blair’s dream of one day leading it. He induced the British to treat the UN first as a validator of war, then as a disposable comfort blanket.

Nor is that all. Nothing can be giving bin Laden greater pleasure than the spectacle of the West going to war to topple his hated foe, the “atheist Satan”, Saddam Hussein. Even in his wildest dreams, he cannot have imagined what has now come to pass, Saddam about to go and Islam radicalised against the West.

In truth we all let this happen. We all capitulated to the terror of September 11. We all stayed at home, sold shares and bought gas masks. We let politicians pass repressive laws and peddle mendacious dossiers. We showed democracy vulnerable to attack and capitalism frighteningly so. Eventually diplomacy could not hold back the tide of vengeance. First in Afghanistan, now in Iraq, it threw in the towel and left soldiers to do their worst.

It is a poor comment on the civilised West in the 21st century that its chief means of retaliation against terrorism is a declaration of war on whole peoples. I wondered if Mr Blair would yesterday resist the Hitler parallel. Sadly he could not. This is to be another war of analogies. Saddam’s arsenals are Hitler’s Holocaust. One day Mr Blair’s successors will doubtless cite September 11 as the basis for some new curb on civil liberties and free speech.

I cheered the Falklands task force. I cheered the eviction of Saddam from Kuwait. I backed ground troops in Kosovo (though not the bombing) to stop, too late, a patent humanitarian disaster. I thought the war on Kabul foolish because it would make harder the location and elimination of bin Laden, as it did. This new Gulf war, at this time and in this context, falls into none of these categories. The catalyst is a state of mind to which one madman has reduced half the free world.

Now Pandora’s box creaks open once again and out will jump the miseries, distempers and demons of war. We should remember what the ingenious Greeks left at the bottom of that box, a mistress called Hope. She did not escape. She remained “to assuage the lot of man”.

Hope now pleads for a quick victory. Hope pleads for no gratuitous bombing. Hope craves a swift rebuilding of Iraq. Hope prays for the Palestine “road map” to be sincere. Hope longs for the UN to pick itself up and play a full role in a reconstructed Middle East. Hope wants this war to purge once and for all America’s September 11 trauma and rejoin the world community. Hope believes in America as a force for good in the world. Hope wants this war turned to good account.

Hope hates the sound of bin Laden laughing.

Have there been any further attacks on US soil since 9/11?

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Have there been any further attacks on US soil since 9/11?
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Do you think OBL will only win if 9/11 is repeated?

Regardless of what I don't want it to be repeated to anyone.

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Do you think OBL will only win if 9/11 is repeated?
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Yes,

The real damage of 9/11 was done to the US economy. An already fragile economy was given a shock that amounted to perhaps a trillion dollars in economic impact. So long as a shock like that is avoided, the US will have won.

That is why the expenditure of Billions is acceptable to prevent a further occurance.....

OG,

I didn't know u were a fan of fuzzy economics .. it's the administration's desire to sweep everything under the 9/11 rug.. the economy was in the pits way before 9/11.. and OBL didn't rig Enron's and WorldCom's books.

I believe I said, "an already fragile economy".

The real point is that 9/11 was a massive shock. whatever is spent on Defense, Iraq, Homeland Defense, bribing foreign governments,etc. will essentially be a form of insurance that 9/11 does not occur again.

Lest we not forget, when the US economy catches a cold the entire third world gets pneumonia. Ask somebody in the Lahore linen business if business dropped after 9/11. Look at Europe. Unemplyment in Germany is close to 12%.

Bin Laden's damage was far mor economic than political. We have almost 300Million citizens, and lots of tall buildings. Only one economy.

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Bin Laden's damage was far mor economic than political. We have almost 300Million citizens, and lots of tall buildings. Only one economy.
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Haha so suddenly it became an economically crises so do you also believe that the US is only for economical reasons in Iraq? The OIL, the weapon industry!?

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Have there been any further attacks on US soil since 9/11?
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Over the history of US or say within last few minutes?... LOL.... BTW what is this red, yellow, black, orange, red alert every other day..... Seems like Osama boy left quite a legacy behind.....

Some of this stuff is so old, that MC Hammer is cool again. 9/11 did nothing to the economy that wasnt already happening.

Yes OBL won. But the muslim people lost.

SO blame America for that. Maybe the muslim people should have stood up and reoved saddam and declared a jihad on OBL. Why didn;t they? Goes back to the same "woe is me" tale.

If we must CH. Jihad is not applicable against muslims. Second if the people are hungry and down-trodden who is gonna attack Saddam. The crazy ******* shot his own son-in-laws.

Well we have the God old US to help us now. They can first create a humanitarian crisis in Basra as they cant win a one on one battle there. Then they attack a Market.

Its such a shame war is not a matter of honor and courage. More of the coward protecting his own butt.

CH.. the Iraqi people are allowed possession of firearms.. which is the first no-no for any dictator..

Historically, Iraq has been ruled by dictators with an iron fist.. as Friedman said.... (paraphrasing) "We can't say if Iraq is the way it is because of Saddam or Saddam is that way because of Iraq."

The oil, the weapons industry?

Completely simplistic thinking.

The "Economy" is an organic living breathing thing. The US is not dominated by Bushs' "Oil buddies", or any of this other quack stuff you guys throw around.

What OBL did, is to throw doubt into every CEO, and small business owner in the country. They did not hire, they did not buy new equipment, they did not commit to new factories. They cut expenitures and hunkered down in a defensive posture conserving cash.

The only thing that will motivate these millions of individual decsion makers is confidence. Confidence is a nebulous unmeasurable thing that everyone understands, and no one can describe. When the US business man hear a proverbial "all clear" horn, there will be a huge economic expansion. That is what Bush wants to do, to eliminate barriers to that day.

Jihad cannot be declared on muslims....

that speaks volumes...it is only reserved for people like OBL to rally the unpaRh masses of the muslim world to kill innocent people. What good are divine principles if they allow terrorists to coopt interpretations for their benefits and disallow proper adherents from fighting the evil within leveraging the same tenets. that is what is truly shameful.

Before anyone goes and blames the US for the situation of muslims around the world, some clear introspection is required.

Stick to the topic. You have been around enough to know the rules. Start a new topic and i will deal with you there. Yes it does speak volumes. Its as simple as death to those who are a threat to us.

yes.. when the rich will be given a tax cut they’ll put it back in business creating job opportunities..

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where do Republicans get this economics??.. maybe Ashcroft should investigate Bush’s economic advisers for ‘glass tubes’..

jobs had been on a steady decline since just after 2000.. 9/11 had nothing do with ‘loss of confidence’.

CM it is the very heart of the topic. DId OBL win? According to you he did. According to us he didn't. THe fight is going on and will continue for a very long time. It is the continuous displacement of responsibility that is the issue. You guys keep saying US created OBL. Fine..so did ISlam.

Lets let the mods decide. Until then i answer your questions. He won the hearts and minds of the Islamic people. After this war Saddam has won the hearts and minds of the world. It is very obvious. OBL was wrong in action, but not right in theory. It can be easily seen that the US feels that it can do what ever it wants in the Islamic world. That needs to stop. If that means Americans die. So be it. The Americans kill innocent iraqis, an eye for an eye. It is that simple.

CM: US doen't do what it wants in the islamic world. That is erroneous. US does what is in its interest at the approval/disapproval of muslim countries and their leadership. You can include Pakistan in that.

It still doesn;t answer why aren't there mujaheddin going after OBL?