Re: Did Jinnah mean to create a Islamic State?
According to "Ulema" the legal code and constitution is not Islamic. Sharia is the only legal code and consititution that can be allowed in a true Islamic state like Pakistan, according to "Ulema".
Well, that's good for the Ulema...but all and sundry can agree it is not Secular.
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Secular Tyranny? Pakistan is one of the most Islamic country in the world! BTW what does it mean to protect Islam? If muslims are free and not under threat for their religion then Islam is not protected?
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I'm confiused. Do you want Pakistan to be a seuclar state or not?
If Muslims are not allowed to practice Islam not only at a personal, but communal level...then no, they're not "free". If the state does not recognize Islam, then they are practically no different than minorities living in other states. If the state will use all force neccessary to keep Islam and state seperated (as Secularism mandates), then no, Muslims are not free.
Pakistan is NOT such a state. Nor did it's founders ever envision it to be that way.
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Again what does it mean to protect Islam? is this a euphimism for implementing Sharia Law? In Sharia Law, minorities are not equal citizens.
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Shrugs...you tell me. Certainly doesn't sound like a 'secular' regime to me. As for Shariah...Iqbal and co. certainly had their modernist take on it. All indications suggest that they were pro-some form of Islamic-derived law. As I said numerous times, they were not traditionalists. But they were by no means secularists.
What does that mean? In some *form, Islam would play a critical role in the state. Pakistan was, after all, meant to be an *Islamic welfare state (Jinnah's words, not mine).
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"Now or Never" was not the official Pakistan declaration. It was a pamphlet written by Chaudry Rehmat Ali.
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He *was *the one who conceived of Pakistan, and very much defined the mood and termpment of the movement.
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Yes, but what do the "Ulema" says? according to the "Ulema" secularism, liberalism, and democracy are not Islamic and against Sharia. Their logic is that Sahaba did not practice democracy. The chose "Caliphat". They say that "Did the Sahaba know better or the people who came up with the idea of democracy?"
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...Iqbal and co differed. That was the point. Ulema...pro-India. Remember? It was my understanding that we're talking about Pakistan...and if it was meant to be Islamic, or secular.
The most that could be said was that we had modernist Islamists at odds with traditionalists...but the idea of a Muslim state void of Islam is just pure nonsense.