Did Jinnah mean to create a Islamic State?

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Re: Did Jinnah mean to create a Islamic State?

@picoico

Yes. However, that in no way justifies removing whatever elements of Pakistan’s legal code and consitution that are conformant to it. A system is in place. Some want to work within it, others outside of it. But from the earliest days, the system has been infused with Islam. If not by Jinnah, than certainly his close advisors.

According to “Ulema” the legal code and constitution is not Islamic. Sharia is the only legal code and consititution that can be allowed in a true Islamic state like Pakistan, according to “Ulema”.

@picoico

Only to be subseuqnetly terrorized by a secular tyranny? That doesn’t make sense. If one wants to protect Islam, then one would think it would be so people could actually practice and implement it.

Secular Tyranny? Pakistan is one of the most Islamic country in the world! BTW what does it mean to protect Islam? If muslims are free and not under threat for their religion then Islam is not protected?

@picoico

I don’t know about that. Pakistan was definitely created for the sake of the protection of Islam…that was the essence of the Pakistan movement. Jinnah was keen on placating the minorities. He certainly wanted them to stay. But in his mind, there was apparently no contradiction of minorities living as equal citizens in an Islamic state.

Again what does it mean to protect Islam? is this a euphimism for implementing Sharia Law? In Sharia Law, minorities are not equal citizens.

@picoico

No, more than that. There was a fear that Islam was in danger. Not ‘Muslims’…Islam itself.

This is quite clear in the 1933 Pakistan Declaration:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_or_Never%3B_Are_we_to_live_or_perish_forever%3F

“Now or Never” was not the official Pakistan declaration. It was a pamphlet written by Chaudry Rehmat Ali. He himself was denied Pakistani passport and told to leave the country. He was one of the biggest critic of Jinnah. I would agree with you if the actual declaration of Pakistan from 23rd March had such wordings. That declaration was adopted officially by Muslim League.

@picoico

According to Jinnah, Iqbal, and others…no, they weren’t.

Yes, but what do the “Ulema” says? according to the “Ulema” secularism, liberalism, and democracy are not Islamic and against Sharia. Their logic is that Sahaba did not practice democracy. The chose “Caliphat”. They say that “Did the Sahaba know better or the people who came up with the idea of democracy?”