Deteriorating Saudi image in Pakistan

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Yea … Actually, from what I heard, in early 1970s (probably 1971), Saudi government decided to destroy Prophet (SAW) tomb, but they stopped short when ‘Shah or Iran’ warned that Iran would invade Saudi Arabia if anything happens to the tomb.

Today, realizing that destroying the tomb could mean invasion by one Muslim country or other, Saudis are planning to cover the dome in such way that it gets hidden from people’s sight. Who knows, they might be thinking that once dome would go in background, it would be easy to destroy the tomb later.

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Can it get more pathetic from here??? i mean you heard something some 40 years ago and you think it is right!!! my friend Shah Iran had gone long time since… if they wanted they could have done it… but i guess blind hatred have taken your thinking part!!!

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Yes that story for some reason couldn’t be a lie.

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Do you think that Iranians are Jews?

I did not say that Hijaz should be under any particular Muslim sect and obviously Iran represent one Muslim sect, not whole Muslim Ummah. If Hijaz would be under neutral administration than body administrating Hijaz for Muslim Ummah has to comprise all sects.

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I haven’t issued any fatwa against any one… but you are certainly talking about liberating Hijaz… so i asked from who??? are Saudies not muslims??? answer this and don’t run from the question…

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Well, you can believe what you may like, but one thing is that if prophet (SAW) Najdi hadith is true than there is no doubt about who Prophet (SAW) was referring to as ‘horns of Shaitan’.

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As long as the Saudi-Wahabi pact exists where the religious authorities are kept happy by the regime and in return the Saudi are supported politically by the Wahhabis, there isn’t going to be change anytime soon and the idea of ‘liberating hijaz’ is just frivolous.

Besides the holy areas are open to muslims from across the world without restriction who come year round. So its not a matter of liberating, but rather a political and social change in saudi society where people have equal representation, rights, and speech.

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According to Hadith … there would be people during last days who would recite Quran better than Sahabas, would pray their ‘Salaat’ and keep saum (‘fasts’) better than Sahabas, but all their deeds would be in waste and Islam would have passed through them just like arrow passes throw a prey, without leaving any trace in them.

According to hadith, these people would be worse of human kind, and Prophet (SAW) mentioned that if he (SAW) would be alive by then, he (SAW) would wage Jihad against them, and that these people would be worse of mankind.

Obviously, these people would call themselves Muslim. Since I have not seen any hadith where prophet (SAW) called them Kafir, how can I do that?

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You are right … and I believe with time, change is coming and major change may come from inside.

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saleem bahi stop living in the khilafat era. Its dead. Political regimes rise and fall give or take a few centuries and it evolves with changing times. They don’t last forever.

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I say let the government send the army to Saudia to prevent it from ‘implosion’. Maybe we are getring it wrong that it’s invasion of Yemen not the other way around. The danger the house of saud have is from alqaeda who would be the biggest benefactors of the present war. If Saudia has to implode Pakistan army can’t do squat about it. I believe that they are facing karma for their policies during that past four decades…Allah ki laathi be awaz hay…

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oh bhai

answer this

from whom Hijaz to be liberated?

are saudies muslims or not.

don’t hide and run now…

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Oh how sincere of US to provide stability to middle east, but some how fricking idiots of Middle East don’t get it and every now and then some sh!t group sprays it all over the region. First it was Taliban, then Alqaida, now ISIL. But rest assured, but US still wants a “stable Middle East”. It has nothing to do with arms industry, it has nothing to do with oil industry, US just wants peaceful and stable middle east.

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Pakistan can not afford to deportation of millions of Pakistanis working there, totally stoppage of the largest foriegn exchange from KSA and losing the biggest employer for Pakistanis in the world. These stupid news paper writers are living in fools paradise. If KIng of KSA want Pakistani army’s involvement, there is absolutely no way that Pakistan can refuse such a request.

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They are muslim.. But from the munafiqeen. That is worse than being kafir. Simples.

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Yet Pakistan has taken how many refugees from Afghanistan that fled from Saudi inspired and funded Taliban and Al Qaeda there ?

That’s nice. Let’s not take actual Pakistani citizens back and give them employment. Let’s take a quarter of afghanistans poorest and give them those jobs and resources and charity instead.

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Saleem you do realize that even if the prophecy of najd refers to Wahhabis and the house of Saud, it doesn’t mean that all Saudis are Wahhabis. For a lot of them, they are being policed by a religious police against their will. The Saud ancestors had to do quite some warring to get people under their banner and create the country of Saudia Arabia. It didn’t happen peacefully. If wahabbi police disappeared I don’t think Saudis would complain.

The prophecy does not mandate Anyone to liberate the region. It’s just an observation that such things will come to pass in the future and we don’t even know if we are interpreting it correctly.

Saudis are muslims, it’s that their kings and wahabbi police have ridiculous agendas.

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Don’t bring the Saudi imperialist war to my home - Blogs - DAWN.COM

Last time it happened, the Saudis sided with Zaidi Imam Muhammad al-Badr.

It was the year 1962, when revolutionaries inspired by ideas of Arab nationalism deposed the last king of Mutawakilite Kingdom of Yemen, Muhammad al-Badr, and put an end to the rule of Zaidi Imams who had been kings of Yemen for the most part of past one thousand years.

Inspired by socialist ideals, Arab nationalism had emerged as a potent ideology around the Arab world and Yemen was no exception. Jamal Abdel Nasser, the then socialist Egyptian president, backed the republicans in Yemen through military support while Saudis, along with Britain, supported the deposed Zaidi king who spearheaded insurgency against the new government.

Not many people outside Yemen know about the Zaidi sect of Islam that exists in the southern part of Arabian Peninsula.

The Zaidiyyah, who are also known as ‘Fivers’, are named after Zaid ibn Ali, the grandson of Hussain ibn Ali. Zaidis follow the jurisprudence that is more similar to Hanafi school as compared to the ‘Twelver’ Shia school of jurisprudence.

Houthis, mostly Zaidis, started as a theological movement in 1992 and spearheaded insurgency in 2004 against the then president Ali Abdullah Saleh, who himself belongs to the Zaidi sect. The Houthis, along with students and Joint Meeting Parties, participated in 2011 Yemeni revolution that followed the Tunisian revolution.

In 1962, Zaidi Shias were friends while nationalists, socialists, and communists were pronounced as foes by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. In 2015, they have been declared as foes and an imminent danger to Saudi sovereignty and territorial integrity.

It is most convenient to paint the whole conflict with broad brushstrokes of Shia/Sunni and Arab/Ajam binaries while ignoring the role of imperial baggage, complex socio-political realities, and all-powerful ruling Arab dynasties.

Also see: Bad Saudi vibes

These simplistic binaries serve as a smokescreen to conceal the ulterior motives of ruling dynasties and autocratic regimes that have come down hard on voices of dissent in the wake of Arab Spring.

This is not a war waged by Sunnis against Shias nor is it the battle between Ajam and Arab – it is simply an act of dynastic self-preservation.
Not unlike the rest of the world, the Muslim world is not a monolith. Muslim societies are diverse on many different levels, with myriad divisions on national, ethnic, linguistic and sectarian lines. The majority of Muslims living in this world are neither Arab nor Persian. And if history has taught us anything, it is that identities cannot be stripped forcefully. It’s a bloody path to tread.

Pakistan is a country with a diverse population. People speak so many different languages, adhere to many different religious schools of thought, and come from different ethnic backgrounds. The state’s miscalculated adventures inside and outside the country have only exacerbated the sense of alienation in many of the communities here.

The state’s obsession with colouring the populace with the same ideological colour has gone terribly wrong.

Read: Foreign funding of militancy

Saudi Arabia and Iran are the only two Muslim majority states whose raison d’être is interlinked with particular Muslim sects. Former adheres to Wahabism, while latter adheres to Twelver Shi’ism.

Owing to the Pakistani state’s obsession with doing away with Indian identity and ideological tilting towards Arabs, Saudi Arabia wields a way more consequential influence over Pakistan.

According to one WikiLeaks cable, Saudi ambassador to the US once proudly asserted that, “we in Saudi Arabia are not observers in Pakistan, we are participants”.

After getting rid of British imperialism, there is a new kind of socio-cultural imperialism that has made inroads into Pakistani society: Arab imperialism
From the illegal funding of madrassahs and the TV evangelists to pop stars, to cricketers, to politicians, to language; the imprints are unmistakable. With each shrine blown up, and every imambargah torched; there’s a bit of indigenous Pakistan that dies silently.

Also read: My name is Pakistan and I’m not an Arab

Instead of becoming a part of another Saudi-led war, it is probably the time to ask all the right questions.

It is probably the time to ponder why all the Muslim cities that have diverse populations are burning.

It is probably time to reflect on why Beirut is in flames, and Cairo is bleeding, and Kabul is ravaged, and Aleppo is sacked, and Peshawar is crying, and Baghdad is bruised, and Sana’a is trembling. Why not Tehran, Riyadh, and Doha?

Instead of bringing another war home for the sake of a ruling dynasty, it is probably time to clean the blood and tears brought about by ‘strategic depth’