Deteriorating Saudi image in Pakistan

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Deteriorating Saudi image in Pakistan | Pakistan Today

The Saudi government’s image is deteriorating in Pakistan. The marketing of the Saudi kings as the guardians of the two holiest Muslim shrines is no more effective. The Saudi King is increasingly being seen as an American pawn on the Middle East chess board.

Washington’s long term policy about the region is based on maintaining the status quo in the Gulf region. This suits the western oil companies and ensures a free flow of the oil to the US and other industrialised nations. The US fear that popular forces demanding replacement of hereditary rulers by elected governments could lead to unforeseeable consequence. Poplar movements in the Gulf will for instance pose a problem for Israel, the US gendarme in the region. There are fears that elected governments might create problems for oil firms. The US is scared of any radical movement in the Gulf.

The principal concern of the US in the Gulf is a “stable Middle East”. Initially the US depended entirely on Israel to keep any radical forces at bay in the region. Israel still acts a potential gendarme to rein in forces considered undesirable by Washington. Israel is however handicapped in dealing with the Gulf countries and the Muslim world at large. The Zionist regime’s occupation of Palestinian and Arab lands and its continuous persecution of the Palestinian people have made it a target of hatred in the Muslim world. There would be a wave of resentment over any interference on the part of Israel to put down by force any popular and anti US movement.

The Saudi kingdom had already been helpful to the US. It had financed the Afghan jihad against the Soviet troops and helped in the recruitment of extremist elements from all over the world

The US first opted for Iran under the Shah as an alternative. The reliance on Shah’ Iran led some to call the country as sub-imperialism. As long as the Shah was in power, the Arab kings and sheikhs did not matter to the US. The Shah treated them with disdain.

With Iran coming under the control of the anti-US ayatollahs, the Gulf rulers assumed importance for the US. The first US choice was Iraq which was used to impose a war on Iran. But with Saddam becoming a potential challenge to Israel, the man had to be removed with the help of the Gulf regimes.

This done, the next choice was Egypt under Hosni Mubarak who commanded the largest Arab army and had become an important strategic partner of Israel. After Mubarak’s fall the Saudi king offered to lead the Gulf to ensure the maintenance of Pax Americana in the region.

The Saudi kingdom had already been helpful to the US. It had financed the Afghan jihad against the Soviet troops and helped in the recruitment of extremist elements from all over the world. Among the unintended results was the attack on the twin towers and the destabilisation caused by terrorist groups in Pakistan. Meanwhile the Saudi regime had developed a convergence of interests with Israel. Both found they had a common enemy in the form of Iran.

Despite this convergence of interests, Israeli-Saudi cooperation has to remain hush-hush as long as the Zionist-Arab conflict remains unresolved. Riyadh cannot maintain the posture of the guardian of the holy shrines if it was to openly launch a bilateral peace process with Israel.

The condolence on the death of King Abdullah by President Reuven Rivlin and his predecessor Shimon Peres are indicative of a greater Israeli understanding of Saudi Arabia’s importance to “Middle East stability.” The Salafi rulers look at the regional politics from sectarian glasses. There are both domestic and regional reasons for this.

The minority Shi’a community in Saudi Arabia is concentrated in the oil rich region of the country. While its shares the numerous restrictions imposed on Saudi citizens in general, it is also denied the right to publicly practice its sectarian practices. There is thus a widespread discontent among the Shi’a population in the kingdom. Several Gulf governments share their fear of the discontented Shi’a population, particularly the Saudi kingdom’s next door neighbour Bahrain, where the Shi’a majority is persecuted by the repressive regime headed by a Sheikh belonging to the Sunni minority.

The urge to establish hegemony over the region has given birth to rivalry between the Saudi regime and Iran. Being the keeper of the holiest shrines Riyadh can do things in the Gulf that Israel cannot.

The Saudi government sees the large Shi’a minority in Pakistan also as a threat. The Saudi kingdom is also driven by an urge to proselytise. Both tendencies have added to the unpopularity of the Saudi royalty in Pakistan where it is already seen to be hand in glove with the US and Israel.

The overwhelming majority of the Pakistani Muslims practices a moderate version of Islam. Even in united India the region now comprising Pakistan never witnessed any riots on cow slaughter or Hindu festivals. This is due to the teaching of the Sufi saints who converted local communities to Islam.

Despite this convergence of interests, Israeli-Saudi cooperation has to remain hush-hush as long as the Zionist-Arab conflict remains unresolved. Riyadh cannot maintain the posture of the guardian of the holy shrines if it was to openly launch a bilateral peace process with Israel

The Saudis introduced a hard line and sect sensitive Salafi version by setting up hundreds of new mosques and seminaries where highly paid prayer leaders and seminary organisers aggressively spread the imported sect.

The hatred against the Shi’a community generated by the seminaries and mosques set up with the Gulf donations created for the first time in the history of the country armed gangs who attacked Shi’a mosques and imambargahs. Some of these later helped create gangs of sectarian killers like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Muhammad and Jundullah.

The Shi’a minority in Pakistan comprises several millions and is well entrenched in society. It is duly represented in civil society, judiciary, bureaucracy and armed forces. Pakistani voters give little importance to religion or sect while choosing their representatives.

The Saudi invasion of Yemen will not be welcomed in Pakistan. Thousands of Pakistanis are currently working in Yemen. Any loss of life as a result of the bombardment or displacement will create resentment back home.

Pakistanis will not like to be a part of any war that further strengthens sectarianism or causes friction and disunity among the people of the country. The government will have to consider the dire consequences for it if it was seen to be pushing Pakistan into a conflict being waged with questionable motives.

The people of Pakistan have yet to recover from the after effects of the Afghan “jihad” waged to please the US with Saudi funds and encouragement. The so called jihad brought into existence terrorist groups who have killed around 50 thousand Pakistanis, both civilians and soldiers.

One can understand that the PML-N leadership has special relations with the Saudi royalty. Any move to get Pakistan involved in the conflict would cause division and conflict in society, which would not bode well for the future of the government.

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Well put.

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the kings and govt are one thing,… but their love for Madina and Makkah will supercede it all…just like any Muslims’ would feel.
A lot of emotions and feelings involved.

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A decade ago, no eyebrows would have raised on Pakistans support in this war. The impact of Pakistani subservience to the Saudis have been deadly and have had a detrimental effect for us and others in the region. Quite a few people want Saudia to deal with the issue themselves.

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yes well put but that is just this newspaper opinion not pakistani public’s opinion…as far as general public mood is concerned in pakistan, english press has zero role to play in it. Urdu press, urdu columnists are the one who shape public opinion in pakistan.

What i am trying to say is that go to jaranwala, lahore, faislabad, pindi, multan bazars and ask common people (who never went to school beyond matriculation and compose 85% of our society) about saudi arabia, his king, iran and come back and tell me that pakistan masses are really upset with saudi arabia…I really doubt it…

these english articles are good enough for drawing room elitist and for those who can read English (like all guppies on this forum) but in no way reflect general mood of pakistani masses who dont know how to read English

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^^^^ That is true, but I think electronic media is changing that now. In fact, I have seen few programs on tv questioning Saudi role in destabilizing Pakistan and Muslim world. In fact, recently Mubashir Luqman did really good program about poor Pakistanis getting beheaded in KSA w/o due process and there are estimated over 10k Pakistan languishing in Saudi jails.

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We can see what the opposition politicians are saying on the issue which sums up public opinion of the country.

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Pakistan has larger shia minority who are for most part inclusive part of society & Saudis have done everything they could to create division in the country by funding sectarian groups.

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The interesting thing is that although the Saudis despise Shias, there are about 10-15 % even in the kingdom imo. I remember that after the terror attack which killed 3 Shias I believe the Saudis said they don’t want that in their own house. It’s fine to fight sectarian wars elsewhere. No country in the world would have suffered more than their divisive policies than pakistan.

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I somewhat agree with @Ali_Syed that image of Saudi is not what it was some 10 years ago.

Few weeks back Saudi Embassy had to issue a statement saying they are not supporting terrorism in Pakistan, i guess this is because even they have learned that they are not liked as they were once.

More than anything, the financing of ISIS is what have damaged Saudi image alot, the damage repair was not done and Saudies have opened a new front, which tells us that Saudies hate peace and are sabotaging the stability and peace of Middle east.

Iran is the same case, both Iran and Saudi need to be taught a lesson. They both have KHUJLI to fight their war on others ground, why don’t engage each other directly??? guess both are idiots but not idiot enough to bring the war on their own grounds.

Saudi may have to do alot fo image building in Pakistan… to start with, they need to stop financing these Madrassas and invest in Oil refineries… then we’ll see what to make out of these saudies

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well yes, among those who have some level of education, saudi image has gone down but we have 200 million of Pakistanis. and when i think of pakistan and what public mood is, i think of those 192 million that are in majority…the one which live in towns, qasbas, villages and older parts of bigger cities. for them saudi arabia is home to Mecca and Madina and saudi king is protecting the holly land. and if anything is bound to happen to mecca or medina or custodian of these 2 cities then pak army shd protect them.

remember guys, it will be so much easy for our politicians to emotionalize this saudi protection issue on the naame of mecca/medina among pakistani public..among those 192 million!

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We should take over Makkah and Madina and separate it from Saudi Arabia, let Joint Forces of Pakistan, Turkey and Indonesia protect holy land…

and one oil well for me plz :smiley:

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You are like Bush. Oil is always on your mind. :omg:

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The vast majority of people don’t know anything about about world policies (why they’re kept illiterate in the first place) but they do see the effects on Pakistan. People are glued to the television with each explosion and media has started discussing Saudis negatively. Add to the fact that Facebook, Twitter are free for various mobile phone operators (like every lalo panju on my street has a Facebook account which they use to talk to wives and children back home in their villages) so I will not be surprised if negative sentiment starts growing.

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^ Good point. You can’t divide Pakistan’s multifaceted population into black and white categories and draw the same old broad generalised opinions. General awareness about various political issues is indeed growing at all levels, and the reason is not print media, it is the dominating popularity of electronic media, and in particular, political talk shows. Plenty of anchors have already started talking about the devilish antics of Saudi Arabia and continuation of such style of reporting would change the public opinion on a grand level in a very short span of time.

An average Pakistani may not understand the complexities of geopolitics and consequent Arab crisis, but as a Muslim, they sure know what sectarianism is. More than any other Arab countries, it is actually in Pakistan where clear lines are drawn between Sunnis and Wahabis in the general public! People are very aware of the differences between mainstream barelvi Sunnism in the country, and the Saudi style Wahabism. They know their stuff! Saudi Arabia is indeed seen as a strict Wahabi state and sponsor of this ideology. So let’s not insult and underestimate the intelligence of general Pakistani public.

The readership and credibility of print media is naturally declining at a very fast rate. You don’t need to be educated and urban, and know English or Urdu to find out what’s happening in the country, all you need is a TV set at home.

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Unfortunately the voice heard on the media and which matters the most as well is urban, they might represent 25-30 % of the population but are vocal. Its this population that politicians tend to placate. We know the dynsmics of rural politics in pakistan. In urban areas their image has gone down. As far as the rural folks are concerned I don’t think they have any say in how the country’s policies should be formulated, social media is bringing these areas at par with the urban areas too with the passage of time.

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Good decision by the government, but Pakistan also have to reevaluate it policy of providing nuclear umbrella for Saudi defense. Muslim ummah had paid enough price for the idiotic policies of Saudi/Iran.

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well Ali, first i really doubt Pakistan will jump into this Yemen war..i hope not but if our establishment at some point wants to do it for whatever reason, you know the drill. emotionalize masses. that is where masses come into account. it wont be whabi kingdom or braveli state or shia. at that point, it will be pitched as mecca/medina honor and how some groups under “jewish” influence want to attack these places and our how this our army’s responsibility to save this honor. you know shah jee, this is THE most sensitive issue for Pakistanis…and how emotional we are on this issue.

and our electronic media…huh… kaya paddi kaya paddi ka shorba…it will change its tone in one night when the order will come … you know from where!

anyway, lets see what happens. like i said, i really dont think Pak will send any troops. by the way there are many tweets like this one already out there…that will be the game plan, if needed.

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^ I agree with what ever you have written, that’s another thing that i don’t see anything good coming out of it. As per reports Saudi king has called Nawaz today lets see what kind of excuse comes out now for sending the troops to the kingdom.

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What is written above should happen. Muslamano ka muqaddas muqamaat per maiii ankh tou family of Saud kee 300 saal pahlay say lag hee chuki hay, Aur 90 sal pahlay unhon nay iss per qabza bhie kar liya. Ab yea muqam Musalmano kee taraf deakh rahay hain Azadi kay liyea.

If Pakistan becomes capable and strong enough at anytime in future, than it is duty of Pakistan army (and Pakistani people) to liberate Hihaz from corrupt kings of Riyadh from family of Saud, and make that area common Muslim’s land.