Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

Rationality is important. Quran contains mohkam verses and mutashaabihaat verses. Mutashabihaat verses when interpreted should be in complete agreement with mohkam verses of Quran… or else, we know we have made a mistake in interpreting it.

Agreed with above but you have left out the hadith and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) I suspect that it was calculated/ intentional move on your part and not an oversight.

muhkamat ayat are very clear whereas mutashabihat ayat are not; so they can have many meanings. If meanings are assigned to them, this must be done in a manner that complies with the language and the Religion, and does not contradict the ayat that are muhkamat. We all agree that the ayat of the Qur’an do not contradict one another. Likewise, the ahadith of the Prophet, (saw) do not contradict one another, and they do not contradict the ayat of the Qur’an.

So the mutashabihat ayats can ONLY understood in line with hadith and not that the Pseudo-Rationality of some later days wannabes/pretenders!

He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding. Al Imran: ayah 7

Clearly the Quran has warned that only those who have perversity in their hearts will use their OWN RATIONAILTY to interpret these ayats to fit their nefarious agendas.

We have enough hadith material to debunk the claims of Jamaat Ahmadiya and its founder.

That’s the reason you left out the hadith of the Prophet (saw) in interpreting the mutashabihat ayats !!!

@Mr.Popat

Quran explains itself.. agree!. No verse contradicts any other verse.
Yes, sunnah and ahadith are important to understand Quran. Absolutely.
Yes, Ijma of as-sahabah.. the first ijmah as we know it was that all prophets before Muhammad pbuh had died.
Yes, ijtihad is important too.. in which your logic is involved.

You lie when say that “, Ijma of as-sahabah.. the first ijmah as we know it was that all prophets before Muhammad pbuh had died”. Please show me where have you got these from that what you claim.

It is ijmah of the Sahabah is what the Orthodox Muslims believe in that Prophet Isa (as) was taken up ALIVE and will descend when Allah (swt) wills in Damascus – certainly not in Punjab.

Yes Logic and Rationality is used in Ijtihad and Qiyas only after having referred first to the Quran, then ahadith and Ijmah as-Sahabah. It is poor forth in line.

@Mr.Popat

Instead of coming up with all this. How about we work on getting an answer about a verse we’re talking about here? Maybe you could help?
‘therein shall you live, therein shall you die, therein shall you be brought forth’ 7:25

Believe me brother psyah is doing very well he doesn’t need my help. I admire his endurance and tenacity in addressing all you have ‘thrown’ to him. And your doggedness in refusing to face the facts is in also in notice.

@Mr.Popat

I have still not gotten a satisfying enough answer.. but have been getting ‘there are exceptions’. Kindly help if you can.

I don’t know what’s your problem with ‘there are exceptions’!

It is Allah’s Sunnah to have exceptions in His creation.

Let me give you some examples:

All mammals are land based but we have Whale living solely in water.
All mammals walk on the land but we have bats that fly
All mammals give live birth but we have following mammals that lay eggs - platypus short-beaked echidna and long-beaked echidna.
Nearly all the plants (trees included) ‘feed’ via roots and the exception being the Carnivorous plants

Now in human terms let me give few examples which you won’t deny.

Human is born when male and female ‘meet’. Exception being:

Hz. Adam (as) Allah (swt)Willed him to be.
Hz. Huwaa (ra) was created from rib of Hz. Adam (as)
Hz. Isa (as) was born without the ‘agency’ of a father.

All the humans will taste death once – exception being those whom Hz. Isa (as) brought to life once they had tasted death with Allah (swt)’s Will – these people then tasted death at the appointed time. So they tasted death twice.

Human children learn to speak well with authority when 6 or 7 years old – Hz. Isa (as) spoke well when he was only few hours old to defend honour of his blessed mother.

Allah says: "Indeed your Lord is the Doer of what He wills" [Sûrah Hûd: 107] and “(He is the) Doer of what He wills.” [Sûrah al-Burûj: 16]

Keep the above ayahs in mind and tell me – Is it impossible for Allah (swt) to take a Human alive to heaven?

Keep in mind that Allah (swt) does make exceptions.

Understandably, Ahmadiyah need Hz. Isa (as) to be dead; then only someone else can ‘come’ in for him – That’s the main game plan. Dead Hz. Isa (as) serves Ahmadiyah philosophy to be legitimate.

@Bigboi

Did you give up?

I think he got bored trying so hard to put ‘some sense’ into some mind that’s air-tightly closed. It was amazing that he went that far. What an effort. Looks like you are claiming a victory???