Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

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Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@kchughtai

You have listed the order that should be followed in Islam numerous times but you don’t practice it yourself. You say that Quran explains itself but when we present manifest verses from the holy Quran even from translators/mufasirs whom you respect, you simply walk over them like a sleepwalker. Actually, what I have observed is that your order of precedence is totally upside down. You give more weightage to ijtehad by scholars and place ahadith over Quran. Kindly practice first what you preach.

The reminder is the Quran followed by the example (sunnah) of His prophet(pbuh) and we give utmost respect to both.

Ok, I have ignored this rant of yours many times. Can’t take it anymore. Can’t be sure that the words quoted are by Hazrat Ali(ra) are true but if you look at it this way then what are ahadith – ink and paper. Right?

You must understand that Quran the very word of Allah and sunnah of His prophet (pbuh) combined is the major source of guidance. Ahadith come after these two.

I don’t understand why you guys have problem with the statement ? What is Quran. It is the word of Allah and protected by Him so what is in it is above board. Who is the mahdi and messiah? Divinely guided one as every prophet was a Mahdi. He was supposed to be a ‘HAKAM’ (one who will give verdict in the matters of conflict) and of course he will not be simply applying his logic and understanding but he will be a Mahdi who will receive correct understanding of different issues and who will do wahi on him. Of course Allah. Sayings of the holy prophet(pbuh) are very sacred to us if we are sure that they came from his mouth since they cannot go against Quran. Can we be sure of ahadith on the same level that we are sure of Quran. No. why not? Because ahadith are not promised protection by Allah. That is why Muhadeseen went through painstaking process before they included them in their books. What did they do to other ahadith ? threw them like waste paper . right? Their effort is great and commendable and we hold them in high respect but can we say that their efforts are beyond error? And if the ‘Hakam’, based on instruction from Allah, cannot tell us what is right and what is not. then what is he called ‘Hakam’ for?

Can the words of holy prophet (pbuh) go against holy Quran. .. Not at all. Since he didn’t spoke of his own desire.
Can the wahi on the promised messiah and mahdi sent by Allah go against holy Quran? Not at all
Enough said.

Peace kchughtai

Look we have been doing this very simply so far … we have been trying to make your life easy … Now if you want to do it the proper way let’s do it the proper way.

This whole thread has started from the challenge that I set to Mr.Popat to show that

**“The Qur’an conclusively states that Isa (AS) has died i.e. he has at some point before the Qur’anic Revelation Tasted Death”

**I’m not asking about what is normal, or what is not normal or what side verses say at this stage … Let’s answer this first question first please - Is there a verse that states and fulfils this condition …

I urge all other side discussions to stop … let’s get this one bottomed out first …

Don’t worry - I’m not going to say “Look you see there is no direct verse - therefore … hahaha” - What I will do is move to the next level of proof … (I will ask other questions that may suggest that to be the case) in order but **only when WE have agreed at each stage **in this investigation …

Are you okay to do this? Mr.Popat … Are you also okay to do this?