Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

Calling it a pathetic attempt ?
You accept the fact that Hz Yusaf a.s saw a vision in which sun, moon and stars making obeisance to Him. The reply of His father was the ‘interpretation’ of that vision. How unfair is it that this vision needs interpretation and you have no problem with it, but the statement you quoted of Hz Ahmad(as), you want others to take it literally even though, you yourself have said it was a vision. Be a wise man please.
What is there to ‘seriously think’ ? It was a vision, that had interpretation. Don’t make a big deal out of it. Visions that prophets see are far beyond our understandings.. and we accept the visions because they are from God. Satan don’t come in form of Allah. You accept Yusuf a.s’s vision needed interpretation.. accept this that the vision of Hz Ahmad(as) needed interpretation too. Instead of asking for interpretation, you’re accepting it to take the same meaning as how it is seen in vision. Failed attempt.

Popat I agree with you that most visions need interpretations – Interpretation of dreams is gift bestowed by Allah Almighty.

And this gift was bestowed on Prophet Yusuf (as). This is what Hz Yakub (as) told his son, Hz. Yusuf (as).

Narrated Abu Huraira (ra) I heard Allah’s Apostle(saw) saying, “Nothing is left of the prophet hood except Al-Mubashshirat.” They asked, “What are Al-Mubashshirat?” He (saw) replied, "The true good dreams (that conveys glad tidings)." Hadith - Bukhari 9:119,

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Dreams are of three types: a dream from Allaah, a dream which causes distress and which comes from the Shaytan, and a dream which comes from what a person thinks about when he is awake, and he sees it when he is asleep.”** (al-Bukhaari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)**

MGAQ Ibn Chiragh Bibi’s dynamic progress.

In early 1890s MGAQ Ibn Chiragh Bibi’s debated with Christians and Arya Samaj and laying claim for being champion of Islam.

The following was his stance.

“The Quran does not sanction the advent of any prophet after the arrival of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) whether he is a new one or old one. All the knowledge that a prophet possesses is taught by the angel Gabriel and the door of Gabriel’s descent to impact the revelations of prophet hood is closed for ever. How can a prophet come now without having access to the revelations of prophet hood.” ** (Izalat-ul-Auham, Page 761)**

“I consider that man who rejects the doctrine of Last Prophetship is a disbeliever and outside the pale of Islam.” * ** (Tableegh-i-Risalat, Vol 2, Page 44 1891)*

MGAQ ibn Chiragh Bibi’s progressive claims:

1. Mujadid After gaining initial popularity among the public he declared himself as Mujadid (revivalist)

2. The Promised Mehdi

3. The Promised Messiah Isa Ibn Maryum

4. Shadow (Zilli Prophet)

5. Reincarnation of Muhammad (saw)

"I am that same prophet, the very Incarnation of the “Seal of Prophets” and twenty years back in the Book Baraheen-i-Ahmadiah, I was called by God by the names of Muhammad and Ahmad and was declared by God Himself to be the very prophet in fresh and blood." (Eik Ghalati-ka-Izala, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
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New Prophet in his own right and the best among all the Prophets.**

" The true God is He who sent His messenger to Qadian." (Dafi-ul-Bala, Page 11)

"How can I discard God’s revelations which have been coming to me for the last twenty-three years? I believe in this sacred revelation as I believe in the revelations before me." ** (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Page 15)**

"We claim to be Rasul (Messenger) and Nabi (Prophet)." (Al-Badr, March 5, 1908, Mirza Ghulam)

"I have been given what no other man in the universe has been given." ** (Tadhkira, Page 658)**

"Lo! We have sent unto you a messenger as witness among you, as we once sent a messenger unto Pharaoh." (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Page 101)

The Lord of Hindus

"Just as the Aryan people are awaiting the coming of Shri Krishna. I am the same Krishna, and this claim is not only mine but God repeatedly revealed to me that I am the same Krishna, the King of the Aryans to come in the last days of the World." (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Page 45, Mirza Ghulam )

** Attributes of all the Prophets**

There was no prophet whose name was not given to me, as I was told in the "Baraheen Ahmadiah that I am Adam, I am Noah, I am Issac, I am Jacob, I am Ismail, I am Moses, I am Abraham, I am Jesus, and I am Muhammad. In the capacity of a prophet Incarnate." (Tatimma-Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Page 84

Allah Almighty addressing MGAQ as his son.

"You are unto me as my son." (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Page 86; Tadhkira, Page 526, 642)

• “Listen to Me, My Son*” (Al-Bushra, Vol 1, Page 49)

*“God has preferred you above everything else.” * (Tadhkira, Page 469, 579, 638)

Logically next step would to dream about playing God. And if he had a few years to live there is a very good chance he would have laid claim to divinity and there were enough fools around to believe his every new claim.

@Mr.Popat

Exactly. So, where’s your first response the moment you know about Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as)'s claim ? Why do you not say.. i do not accept him BECAUSE Jesus a.s is the only one that will come back .. he a.s is alive and only he will return. Do you think your this belief bring lots of contradiction?
You finally understood me. To judge His writings would mean you have accepted one thing, which is the death of Jesus a.s. You are not questioning His writing because you want to know if the person you’re waiting for is Him or not. But it’s ok.. hopefully you wont make the same mistake again, and actually tackle the question that needs to be answered first — the ascension of Isa a.s
Notice the word ‘descend’. i.e Nazala/Nazul. Not the word ‘return’. i.e raju’un. For a person who is coming back, the word coming back is used, not descend. Allah says He descended animals, iron, rain, garments etc from heaven.
Let me also give you some more information . Hopefully you will connect the dots and give it some thought..

Muslims are waiting for Hz Isa ibn Maryum (as) because the blessed Prophet (saw) has given them enough information about him – place, location and how he will descend.

He also warned Muslims to be aware of imposters who will lay claim to Prophet Hood.

@Mr.Popat

Muslim shariyah has been called the maseel of Musvi shariyah. Muhammad PBUH has been called the maseel / like of Musa a.s in Quran.
Khulfa e rashideen has been called the maseel of the prophets sent to Bani Israel
Now lets compare the two:
The beginning of Musvi shariya was with Hz Mosa (as) .. then lots of prophets were sent in Bani Israel … at the end of Musvi shariyah is Jesus a.s
The beginning of Muhammad shariyah was Hz Muhammad PBUH.. then there were khualafa after him.. In order for the comparison of both of these ummah to complete, Muhammadi shariyah must also have a Messiah at the end ( as is believed..he will come in latter days ). This is the reason why Messiah that is to be sent to Muslims is called Jesus, Maseeh Ibn e Maryam. Isa a.s is the name given to him by Allah.. whereas Messiah is the title and Ibn e Maryam is the ‘quality’.. Momins have been compared with Maryam and Asiya (as) in the Holy Quran, where as disbelievers have been compared with Hz Noah (as)'s wife. The quality of being ibn e maryam is that there will be a person who will be as pure, and unchaste as Maryam (as). Whose piousness will be accepted even by His opponents. Name Isa is because he a.s will be at the end of Muhammadi shariyah and Isa a.s was at the end of Musvi shariyah. It also means he a.s will have same qualities as that of Jesus a.s i.e peace loving, having knowledge of previous scriptures.. His birth will be questioned ( one of the point of his rejection is that he a.s was not from the family of Fatimah a.s ) just as how the birth of Jesus a.s was questioned ( though, both of these allegations on their birth are false ). His death will be questioned. ( Jesus a.s’s death is questioned as well as Hz Ahmad a.s, and both allegations are false ) and other qualities as such.
Let me cut the story short now. I can give you more of the information but it seems you’re slow in understanding so ill stop at this point.

The above mumbo jumbo is good for Ahmadi crowds.

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum’s (as) mode of birth was only questioned by the Kuffar; The Believers have no doubt about it.

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum’s (as) death was celebrated by the Jews “claiming that they had killed him. Allah Almighty testified that Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum’s (as) was not killed and that He had raised Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum’s (as) unto Himself.

Only people with deviant beliefs believe that Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum’s (as) is dead. Believers believe him to be alive with certainty.

@Mr.Popat

Jesus a.s of Nazareth is dead. In the personality of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus a.s descend. He a.s was born in Qadian, east of Damascus. He was helped by angels in His mission and 2 yellow sheets denotes 2 diseases He a.s had.
For Jesus a.s to descend from heaven, he must first go up to heavens. A belief that has not legs to stand on. Just a blind belief portrayed by Mullahs.

Another fable for the Ahmadi crowd to suck up to – The two angels being Teechi Teechi and Khayirati, I guess?

Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) will descend on white minaret of the grand mosque in the East of Damascus.
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Jesus, son of Mary, will descend near the white minaret towards the east of Damascus*. (Tabarani)

MGAQ was born to Chiragh Bibi in Qadian – around 50s claimed prophet hood – when reminded about the hadith of white minaret – he collected chanda , erected a white minaret, named it “Minaratul Masih”. It was completed in around 1916 - around 8 to 9 years after MGAQ’s death - As if he has fulfilled the prophesy -