Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[kchughtai]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@psyah

Peace kchughtai

I agree that Muslims take this prophecy to be for Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) … but I find the above statement somewhat is very pertinent to this thread … I have highlighted it …

Breaking down what you said:

The order of priority is:

Clear statement of Qur’an
Hadith
Fiqh

This is exactly the order we also profess to … so again I agree with you … But … how is it that despite both of us using the same priorities we arrive at very different conclusions?

Before you respond let me offer some reasons …

A) What we see as clear may not be what you see as clear verses and vice-versa

B) Hadith by yourselves are rejected on the basis that you see “clear” verses going against them … but since we do not necessarily see the verses as clear we don’t feel the need to reject the hadith.

C) You see our acceptance of hadith as giving priority to them over the Qur’an, but we see it as a natural disposition to find the balance between hadith and Qur’an … we don’t reject hadith based on our understanding of Qur’an … because hadith could be well referenced and in such a case they gain importance and authority.

The mu’tazila and other aqeedah groups also do this … they will reject hadith even if they are authentic and well referenced …

D) This creates another shift that we see - which is others favouring their understanding of ayat and banishing hadith rather than looking for the situation where both the hadith and ayat fit together … The Ahl-u-Sunnah (Mainly Ash’aris and Maturidis) will always take the position of lowest possible disruption … and will always use rules and traditions to determine what verse is clear and what verse is not rather than using our logic or best gut feeling to say this verse is mutashabih and this is not …

Just from the conversation between Mr.Popat and myself you can see how much disruption it causes to accept his rendition of the verse 7:25 … One would have to conclude that space travel and residence in space is a hoax … despite plenty of repeatable evidence for it.

Peace Psyah,

Again you are asserting that we reject ahadith. We are NOT ‘Quran only’ people but we try to get as much as we can from the holy book since it is very word of Allah, above any doubts and well protected.
Not accepting your version of interpretation of ahadith doesn’t amount to rejection of them. Don’t you summarily reject ahadith when presented to you especially Dar-e-qutni’s hadith of eclipses.

Hadiths are definitely very importance source but try not to belittle the importance of Quran. Remember Quran explains itself as well.

As for 7:25, 2:36, 77:25-26, I don’t want to go on with debate , I will just make a statement that when Allah Himself has said that Earth is abode for us to live then how can He Himself break His own law and take one person to heavens to live.
space travel, going to other planets is not against this principle. Whoever goes to space and elsewhere HAS to have a link with the earth to survive. Can you give me an example where people have been LIVING somewhere other than the Earth independently without any support system / link with the Earth.