psyah
September 1, 2012, 8:32am
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Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders
Dear psyah, I have explained the reasons why events that you call miracles did not happen. So now you are asking me what about this miracle and that miracle. I have stated the rule and anything that does not fit the rule it cannot happen, if it did one ought to have proof of it. Baseless stories cannot be proof of extraordinary or supernatural events against the laws that are operating in the universe. This is why one has no right to misinterpret and misrepresent the quran. First one has to establish a rule then one has the right to interpret the quran according to that rule. I stated right from the start that nature works naturally, the words used in the quran can be interpreted in different ways but they cannot be established in their meanings unless their meanings are provable in light of the universal realities in context and purpose of the quran itself.
The only things that I accept as extraordinary are those which have no alternative reasonable explanations eg existence of the quran and the universe. All else can be explained naturally because it happened and happens in natural world and the world always worked the same way ie naturally ever since it came to existence. Even a once broken law is still breaking the law. The quran will be proven false if God even once broke the set law, why? Because the quran establishes its claims by telling us observe nature and natural phenomena and you will find it consistent. How something can be claimed consistent when it was interrupted even if it was interrupted just once?
What I claim is obvious to all to observe and verify but your claim is unreal and unverifiable therefore I call such ideas make beliefs. All I am doing is trying to help people here realise inconsistency in their reasoning in this regard. Your point will prove the quran wrong if there was no reasonable explanation of the quranic text from which you derive idea of miracles.
If you want to know alternative interpretations of the verses concerned please refer to works of various people who had reached that level of wisdom and discussed these issues long ago. Find out what was fight of mullas with sir syed or farahi, iqbal, jinnah, parwez etc etc.
There is no point in dragging issues that have been clearly decided on basis of reason by people who had the wisdom. Mullahs at most have been preservers of the divine information but may be never bothered to make sense of it. The question is, why did they even bother to preserve it? Was it because kings paid them well or did they do it for sake of Allah and humanity? I leave that between them and Allah but today, we cannot afford to stick to mullas’ versions of islam. if we do we are signing on our death warrants or at least painful suffering is going to increase many folds.
So my dear brother please start thinking beyond yourself and God. You need to think about rest of humanity as well and what God intended for them. Get out of religious frame of mind and think about wider implications of things in framework of deen of islam.
May Allah guide us all to the path that is provably solid as a rock.
regards and all the best.
Peace Mughal1
You did not listen to me at all … The only Miracles I am interested in and believe are true miracles are the ones interwoven into our scriptures … I am not interested in your silly YouTube videos … Where charlatans are debunked … That is irrelevant.
If you cannot be straight with me or reduce your blurred speech then it is better you avoid this thread … Thank you very much …