Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Ibn_Sadique

**Popat ** You are taking the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) out of the loop :-

The criteria to understand and explain the Quran is as such:

1. First of all Quran explains itself
2. Secondly we use the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) to understand the Quran
3. Thirdly we use the Ijma As-Sahabah
4. Forthly, Qiyas and Ijtihad (Using Reason and Logic)

mohkam ayaat – can be understood as Quran explains itself in other verses. No problems here.

For these to be interpreted have to be understood in accordance to mohkam verses (as you say) but we have to refer to the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) – Because he has already explained them. He did his job well and made sure that he had explained everything - He left nothing unexplained!

On his demise Islam was complete nothing new could be added to Islam.

Then we refer to the Ijma As-Sahabah as they understood from the Blessed Prophet (saw) it to derive to the required conclusion.

Lastly we use Qiyas and Ijtihad (Using Reason and Logic) and this won’t independent from the first 3 points.

You sir, are deliberately ignoring the steps 2 and 3.

The reason for you (and Ahmadis) doing so is obvious.

Mr. MGAQ ibn Chiragh Bibi had rejected most of the hadith and interprets the Quran using his ‘so-called Wahi’

Naturally you are going to deviate from the Message of the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) to the one propagated by Mr. MGAQ ibn Chiragh Bibi.

Your words sound very confusing. At one point you say Quran explains it self. That’s what i’m saying.. it does. But you choose not to understand from it.

I gave you mohkam verses.

All prophets were men. All prophets required food to live. You are to live on this earth and die on this earth. Only Allah will raise dead on the day of judgement. Dead people do not come back to Earth again.

Now these are mohkam verses. To interpret mutashaabay verses against them is going against Quran. You are assuming Qur’an has contradiction in it. This is not my belief. To understand those verses, we can go to ahadith to get a more deeper understanding, provided that even the meaning that we take out from the ahadith does not contradict mohkam verses of Qur’an.

You like to give me the criteria so many times. Let’s talk about that too.

1. Quran explains itself. Yes it does. I never said it doesnt. That’s why I take mohkam verses and stress on that.

2. Sunnah of Muhammad PBUH. Ok.. whats the sunnah of prophet about how all prophets were men.. all prophets required food to live… You are tolive on this earth and die on this earth…only allah will raise dead and dead dont come back to earth alive. If you talk about sunnah, is there any thing in those mohkam verses that Muhammad PBUH did not show in his own lifetime ? He s.aw. ate, he lived and died on earth. He s.a.w will be raised on day of judgement. He s.a.w wont be coming back to earth again since he s.a.w died. Got anything different to share ?

3. Ijmah of sahabah(ra). Which ijmaah of sahaba went against the mohkam verses of Qur’an ? :halo:

4. Qiyas and ijtehaad. Ok, so use your logic. Don’t go against mohkam verses. Dont be believing that Qur’an have contradictions.