Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

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Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

I only say so because I’m taking out the meaning of that verse to which you do not agree. I said, i will only change the way i understood that verse if only you can show me any other verse in Quran disproving my understanding of verse 7:25. It is a common practice to not interpret one verse of Quran if another verse has something completely different to say. We reconcile the understanding of a topic by looking at those 2 verses. Qur’an cannot have contradictions. That is my belief. The burden of proof lies on your shoulder to bring me any verse of Qur’an disproving my understanding of the 7:25 verse. Only then, i’ll think twice before concluding the meaning of that verse…and trust me, I WILL think twice about the understanding of that verse only if my understanding goes against ANY of the other verse of Qur’an. Just saying that it has exception in it is not enough, and I think you know it too. Can you show me any verse showing me that there ‘is’ a possibility of humans living outside Earth ( needing no oxygen,food,water etc ), ? .. Show me from Qur’an. To me, the hujjat or the final word is of Allah’s book. I base every belief of mine from Qur’an. Show me, and i’m with you on this one, and this verse will never be brought up again.

I only said what the exceptions could have meant. You disproving my point by saying if i dont know that people also die in space? .. My argument is very much to the point. I still dont understand why do you not get what I’m saying..?

You can ONLY “live” in space by taking proper measure, it’s not a place for a human to live!.. just like how you CAN live in water by taking oxygen cylinders. You’re either not getting it or you’re pretending not to understand. If Isa a.s is alive and is NOT on Earth, then he must have with him an unlimited supply of oxygen up there somewhere… And him being up there is making the point of Qur’an weak when it says ‘therein shall you live’. You give christians the chance to make fun of Qur’an.

**You can “DIE” in space also as you said. Then that means, there’s a possibility of him dead too. Why do you not see both sides of the coin ?? **

If you say Allah can do whatever he wills, then i completely agree with you. But the verse 7:25 was said to Adam a.s, long long before the coming of Isa a.s. Are you saying that Allah was nauzubillah unaware of this verse or this law of His that only Earth is the abode in which humans will live? It is not the law of humans that keeps needing amendments, but here we’re talking about law of Allah, whose laws are so perfect, that once he makes, he needs not to change or make amendments in it. It is an absolute.

If you need time to think over the verse, then take your time.. here, we are not having debate about who will win. It’s about religion. We should be very calm in understanding eachother’s views. I’m not here to win anything. I kindly ask you, if whether whatever i’m asking from you are not valid questions? Should I not be thinking about it? Does Islam stop me from pondering every verse of Qur’an and ask questions where I feel?.. honestly, i dont know about it, but it strengthens my belief in Islam.. I’m not the type of person who if someone say this is the belief and I believe in it ignoring my own research about a certain belief. Try questioning.. it broadens your understanding.

Peace Mr.Popat

Your other verse was already mentioned …

Sahih International
O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ]. 55:33

You didn’t accept it then so I don’t expect you to accept it now … The Arabic of 7:25 is NOT absolute, to say that it is absolute is to put meaning in it that it doesn’t have … If only you studied Arabic.

This you can only live in space by proper measure … Does not negate living in space …space was used as an example, Isa (AS) can live in heaven just as easily as Adam (AS) lived in heaven before coming to Earth.

I’ve highlighted a statement above … It summarises you perfectly … You are so desperate to pin this verse as some sort of proof that Isa (AS) did not ascend … It must because someone from your camp very high up had initially made this blunder … and now you are struggling to make it fit … The point you initially made is MUST be dead, now you are pleading me to acknowledge a mere possibility of it … Linguistically I have always stated the possibility that people can die in space … Rather it was you who was resisting that idea …remember our conversations earlier … I was merely defending our position … Remember also this whole thread is my defence … It is not my attack on your belief, rather it is my defence of your attack on the idea ascension.

So who is the one being patient here?

I cannot accept that Isa (AS) is dead, because our Hadith state his ascension … You say the Hadith must be rejected because they CONFLICT with verses like 7:25 … I think I have been arguing that they don’t conflict … That is all this debate has been about …