Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[psyah]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mughal1

Dear psyah, I accept that what I am saying is heresy but it is only heresy with respect to views of religious establishment under mullaiyat but not against the teachings of the quran and the quran based ahadith or fiqh as I explained it in its full context in the other thread.

Moreover do you think that any nation can develop unless at least some of its individuals make efforts to surpass others in knowledge? And what happens at that stage is that top folks cannot be understood by folks who made no effort in that direction and so they are bound to think that more knowledgeable people are wrong because they are talking about things that makes no sense to others who have not enabled themselves to understand them. Can you see how this can cause controversy where there should be none? It is like you set a ceiling for your thoughts and call everything else unacceptable and yet you talk about pondering over things? Thought are free running horses and can only be controlled by rules of wisdom not baseless beliefs. Let say you set a ceiling that no human beings can lift more than 10kg weight. And then you make laws that if anyone goes beyond that he will be made to face terrible consequences. How are those people supposed to function within this set limit who are bound to break this limit because they are capable of carrying 20kg?

Likewise falsely set ceilings cannot work for the betterment of humanity that is why they are wrong. It is because one day one is going to find out one has been lied to and his reaction may not be easy to handle. This is why all falsely indoctrinated thinking people break such glass ceilings and end up condemned by religious chiefs who want to keep things under lock and key if you like. Such nations therefore fail to make progress and lack prosperity. So long as west was under church things were not good but once it broke away it was all of sudden rejection of religions and scriptures.

So our mullas should learn from that and avoid messing up the quran and muslims because things are coming to a stage whereby more and more people are fed up with religious dogmas and their promoters. Sectarianism is becoming a hateful thing and people if they want unity must give up their false beliefs because you either live by baseless beliefs which are different from person to person, sect to sect and religion to religion that keep people divided or you follow rules for living by reality and find ways of unity otherwise people cannot come together nor can be brought together to cooperate for their betterment. This is why make beliefs are a serious problem and that it can no longer be ignored.

Muslims are facing problems amongst themselves as well as from outside world like never before so we are forced to think on our feet which way we should go. If we take too long to decide it may well be too late.

The problem is that not we all who claim to follow the quran were supposed to be one people but we were also supposed to educate others to come join us so that unity becomes accepted world wide in order to live peacefully and prosperously. The very warfare between ourselves is the very reason we are unable to put forth the set criterion for peace before nonmuslims. The formula for peace has to be the very same for all of us to be united otherwise the weaker side is always going to lose and suffer terrible pain the while it exists.

So we have no choice but to start thinking outside the box that mullas have created for this ummah. Any version of islam is not worth it that fails to unite people who claim to be muslims and thereafter the nonmuslims. Any such version is make beleif and true heresy because it is moving humanity away from the quran in the name of the quran and islam.

The very reason for which kufar is unacceptable so is unacceptable sectarianism among muslims. All because it is divisive therefore dangerous. So you can see why I do not accept such idea because to me islam means peace not war. Islam that has not brought peace to muslims themselves cannot bring peace to nonmuslims either therefore it is false and therefore people involved in such kind of islam must give it up and go for islam that makes sense so that it brings peace to all. Delay in this transition is futile because it prolongs human suffering all around the world. imagine more than a billion and half people giving dawa to rest of their brethren in way that they cannot refuse. The ratio is 1:4 or 5. The prophet was almost all alone when he started out on his mission. How did he manage to convince so many people? Not through sword but word of mouth. He had nothing to offer them other than hope for a better life in here and hereafter. **Time to think, why such a great number of us have failed ourselves and others so badly? I think due to our make beliefs rather than following the given program in the quran.

**regards and all the best.

Peace Mughal1

You have totally lost me … in verbosity … you mention parables and analogies without explaining to what they are applying to …You need to clean up your style of discourse it is really boring. Please keep it simple.

I will take your last statement I have highlighted above …

a) The reason why Muslims are failing is because of “love of dunya” - this what our hadith say … and a bit of thought and pondering on this proves this is true.

b) When people within our fold claim our beliefs are “make believe” they are crippling it from within … Added to the outsider sense of modernity and rejection of anything from the ghaib … we are getting faithless people - who resign the religion.

c) The given programme of the Qur’an is itself for the purpose of a “ghaib” concept - i.e. paradise … however, if you and your ilk continue in re-interpreting matters of the ghaib into metaphoric meanings we will eventually be leading down the road of rejecting Allah (SWT) and already there are people who do not believe in paradise nor hell … but think them to be a condition in this life … It is however true that this life can provide insight to hell and heaven, but that insight is not the SAME as hell and heaven. I can imagine people will start to resign Deity as being the driving force of our own consciousness - in order to make it more palatable for our modern mindsets …

As I said be consistent - if there is anything that you believe to be supernatural - then you cannot use the argument of “make believe” to demonstrate your point - because then people will turn around and crush every “ghaib” belief that you have …

Remember … Zaalikal kitaabu la raiba fi huda lil-muttaqeen … allazeena yu’minoona **bil ghaibi **…