Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

The exception is inherent in the Arabic language of that verse … It does not need another verse to show this … It seems however you are making up your own conditions without knowledge … Please show me where you have got the idea that exceptions are taken where something contrary is being said in ANOTHER verse ONLY… I’ve been telling you from day one that ths verse is a general statement it is not phrased in a way that makes it specific and limiting … Now to prove me wrong you need to find evidence showing that verse is limiting and harbours no possible exception. Can you do that?

I only say so because I’m taking out the meaning of that verse to which you do not agree. I said, i will only change the way i understood that verse if only you can show me any other verse in Quran disproving my understanding of verse 7:25. It is a common practice to not interpret one verse of Quran if another verse has something completely different to say. We reconcile the understanding of a topic by looking at those 2 verses. Qur’an cannot have contradictions. That is my belief. The burden of proof lies on your shoulder to bring me any verse of Qur’an disproving my understanding of the 7:25 verse. Only then, i’ll think twice before concluding the meaning of that verse…and trust me, I WILL think twice about the understanding of that verse only if my understanding goes against ANY of the other verse of Qur’an. Just saying that it has exception in it is not enough, and I think you know it too. Can you show me any verse showing me that there ‘is’ a possibility of humans living outside Earth ( needing no oxygen,food,water etc ), ? .. Show me from Qur’an. To me, the hujjat or the final word is of Allah’s book. I base every belief of mine from Qur’an. Show me, and i’m with you on this one, and this verse will never be brought up again.

@psyah

Answer 1 - Allah does as He Wills

2. please explain this to me … The reasoning in your argument seems disjointed from your argument’s conclusion. How did you conclude Isa (AS) MUST be dead, from the idea that people CAN die in space? You have forgotten 1) above … Where people can also LIVE in space as well as DIE in it. And space is only an example.

3. he (AS) does not have to come to Earth for that reason … For Isa (AS) … His life has been mapped out for us in the signs of the end times … And from these we draw conclusions such as … Isa (AS) being buried in Madinah … Next to our dear prophet Muhammad (SAW) …

I only said what the exceptions could have meant. You disproving my point by saying if i dont know that people also die in space? .. My argument is very much to the point. I still dont understand why do you not get what I’m saying..?

You can ONLY “live” in space by taking proper measure, it’s not a place for a human to live!.. just like how you CAN live in water by taking oxygen cylinders. You’re either not getting it or you’re pretending not to understand. If Isa a.s is alive and is NOT on Earth, then he must have with him an unlimited supply of oxygen up there somewhere… And him being up there is making the point of Qur’an weak when it says ‘therein shall you live’. You give christians the chance to make fun of Qur’an.

You can “DIE” in space also as you said. Then that means, there’s a possibility of him dead too. Why do you not see both sides of the coin ??

If you say Allah can do whatever he wills, then i completely agree with you. But the verse 7:25 was said to Adam a.s, long long before the coming of Isa a.s. Are you saying that Allah was nauzubillah unaware of this verse or this law of His that only Earth is the abode in which humans will live? It is not the law of humans that keeps needing amendments, but here we’re talking about law of Allah, whose laws are so perfect, that once he makes, he needs not to change or make amendments in it. It is an absolute.

If you need time to think over the verse, then take your time.. here, we are not having debate about who will win. It’s about religion. We should be very calm in understanding eachother’s views. I’m not here to win anything. I kindly ask you, if whether whatever i’m asking from you are not valid questions? Should I not be thinking about it? Does Islam stop me from pondering every verse of Qur’an and ask questions where I feel?.. honestly, i dont know about it, but it strengthens my belief in Islam.. I’m not the type of person who if someone say this is the belief and I believe in it ignoring my own research about a certain belief. Try questioning.. it broadens your understanding.