Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

I said mid-sentence, because you stopped half way through the ayat. The rest of the ayat provides the conditions of the clause of the verse and contextualises why previous prophets have been invoked and on what manner they are “like” Isa (AS) … They are like him not because they “came and went” in the same manner … They are like him (AS) because they ate food.

Yes, the translations/assumptions of previous prophets has been known and accepted by Muslims. Certain things like mechanisms of returning people like Elijah is neither here nor there for us. The commentators of the Bible said that Elijah was John the Baptist., but this is neither explicitly stated by Jesus in the Bible nor is it something that we need to accept.

My point in stating this is that there are a few examples of prophets that have said to have “gone” in this manner in traditions. It deals with your complaint about Isa (AS) being unique, but in fact I have no problem with this being unique to Isa (AS) … That is your contention not mine.

And no … I am not kidding.

It seems like i’m talking to the wall. I did not stop half way through the ayah.I have spoken about that as well. Why do you feel you have to reply to me right away when your own statements about your belief are so twisted.

Please read the ayah with open mind. There are 2 parts to the verse relating to Jesus a.s. One part is combining Isa a.s with those prophets who have passed away before Him. You’re telling me that in that verse Jesus a.s is said to be like other prophets because they ate food. That is very wrong for you to interpret it this way. The eating part is ONLY and ONLY said about Jesus AS and His Mother. The verse is not like ‘prophets before him used to eat too’, or anything like that. The REASON of Allah using the example of EATING is that Jesus a.s ate, and God does not eat.. therefore Jesus a.s cannot be considered as God. Since He (as) ‘ate’ and was like other prophets, therefore, Jesus a.s passed away like other prophets have passed away who used to eat. Jesus a.s is like other prophets in passing away !

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

You are too lenient with interpretations from MGAQ. The style of his language is odd and you make somersaults to accept him. On one hand you say Jesus of Nazareth (AS) has died, but all of the Hadith talk about Isa (AS) using his actual name. There is no metaphor nor confusion about it. They say Isa ibn Maryam (AS) … MGAQ has nothing in similitude with Isa (AS) of the past. Not even his name. And the name you do further tricks with because it suits you is to assimilate it with the Mahdi. Then you require the Mahdi and Masih to be one in the same.

Well this presents a problem … It is because the Mahdi’s name will be Muhammad … Not Isa …

Then to read the writings where MGAQ claimed to be Maryam (AS) and gave birth to himself … is even more absurd. The basis for saying that Isa (AS) is buried in Kashmir is also a strange one. You claim that Isa (AS) went the to teach the lost sheep of the children of Israel. Knowing full well that Isa (AS) meant the spiritually lost sheep of the people of his region, you apply a physical meaning to this term “lost” and apply it to the diaspora of the Jews in the East.

This presents another problem that why Isa (AS) did not teach all the others who had been lost, why only one small section?

At the time of Isa (AS) it was like this …
Maps, Archaeology And Sources - The Jewish Diaspora | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

Only centuries later did the Jews travel further to the East …

And Kashmir was not the prime location either. The fundamentals collapse at the very beginning but you insist on taking us in to infinite detail … When the much more basic questions have not been answered.

Buddy, i assure you, I have answers to all of these questions.. you can PM me and ill answer you about every single allegation you raised. I have read His books, but you have not. You are shooting questions after questions without even having proper knowledge. I have enough knowledge to answer everything you asked.. but If I answer you all these questions, will you be convinced ?

Also, to you, it doesnt matter what He a.s wrote. Your first response should always be ‘’ he a.s cannot be Promised messiah because Jesus a.s is the only Messiah and he a.s is raised to heavens, is alive, and will be the only one coming back ‘’ << this needs to be answered first.. and you need to consult your ullamas regarding this belief.

You need to have neutral mind and ask your ullamas and ask them questions too. It wont hurt you.