Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Ibn_Sadique

I have not brought any ridiculous allegations against MGAQ; I have given you reference and you trying to explain it means that you have accepted what I had stated. You don’t have to be embarrassed about his statement.

It is very relevant to the topic at hand; Ahmadi very pretentiously claim to be very rationalists but when it comes explaining various statements of MGAQ, rationality goes out of the window in wink of an eye.

All verbal somersaults are done to explain the unexplainable statements.

Popat at the end I going to give you one more statement of MGAQ, let’s see if you can explain it rationally. I’ll leave that to the last.

I’m not embarrassed by anything. Stop these lies please!. When have I claimed to be a ‘rationalist’ ?Its not the first time you’re saying this about me. I have no made any such claim. Relax! .. I’m questioning based on Quran and hadith. If you got Quran and hadith to back up your statements, im interested in reading those. Show me from Quran how one can be raised to heaven bodily alive. Show me from hadith where its said Jesus a.s is alive. Show me from quran or hadith if he a.s is eating. Show me from Quran or ahadith how you can remain alive without food. All these questions will never be answered by you. NEVER. You know why? because you’re afraid you will hurt the feelings of those muslims that share the same beliefs as you. Allah says in Quran, and the verse goes something like.. you tell me to believe something which my forefathers never believed in ? and another goes like.. we will continue to believe what we have seen our forefathers believe in.. these were the words of kuffars in the times of Muhammad PBUH. You just dont want to see the truth, even if its from Quran. So much of being Muslim, alright!

How do know you that Heaven is not a physical place? Wow this is news to us.

So Ahmadis take Heaven to be a spiritual experience only?

heaven is an ultimate place where humans go after they die. You dont go there when you’re alive. Period.

In my earlier post I had shown you, which you confirmed that Adam (as) and his wife were not in Heaven but Mesopotamia (present day Iraq). And that Mr. Iblis was ‘bad guy’ in the same neighbourhood!

Then can you explain why Hz. Adam (as)and his wife were sent to Earth. Wasn’t Mesopotamia on Earth to begin with?

But Satan caused them both to stumble therein, and thus brought about the loss of their erstwhile state. And so We said: “Down with you, [and be henceforth] enemies unto one another; and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for a while!” 2:36 Muhammad Asad

But Satan caused them both to slip by means of it and drove them out of the state in which they were. And WE said, `Go forth hence; some of you are enemies of others and for you there is an abode in the earth and a provision for a time.’ 2:36 **Sher Ali – Ahmadi translation.

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You know , Quran is Allah’s words. It is OK to read 4/5 verses before and 4/5 verses after. Its not going to harm you. It will benefit you. Try it sometimes.

[2:30] And when thy Lord said to the angels: ‘I am about to place a vicegerent in the earth,’ they said: ‘Wilt Thou place therein such as will cause disorder in it, and shed blood? — and we glorify Thee with Thy praise and extol Thy holiness.’ He answered: ‘I know what you know not.’

‘i am about to place a vicegerent(khalifa) in the earth’ . He placed him as khalifa on earth. Then satan caused him to make a mistake and Allah says you people will be enemies of each other and there is a certain time for which you (humankind) will live on earth, and will keep Earth as an abode. Do you see this verse? allah placed him on earth first , then everything else happened. He was not literally thrown to earth. He was born on earth. But hey, thats my belief. Believing this version or your version is a mere belief which has nothing to do with what future has to hold. However, the life of Jesus a.s is important. For His life determines what path is right. His life determines the future of Islam.

Popat you claim to be a rationalist but here your claim is exposed as mere posturing.

I did not claim any such thing. I’m questioning based on Quran and hadith.

Kashf is a spiritual experience something abstract or intangible.

Now please use your rationality and explain to us how something physical/ tangible can appear from something intangible.
Your rationality cannot explain it.

If you claim to be a miracle, then I may say ok.

Now apply the same principle to Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) in Heaven eating and living!

This is the reason I brought this statement of MGAQ – to see your rationality – no other motive.

Popat at the end I going to give you one more statement of MGAQ, let’s see if you can explain it rationally. I’ll leave that to the last.

That is a wrong approach. In one hadith, sahaba (r.a) saw Gabriel in form of a man. Asked Muhammad PBUH of what tawheed is, whats imaan and other questions as such. Angels are made of light. But such an event happened. The way you explain this will be the way i will explain the experience Promised Messiah (as) went through. Had the experience of Promised Messiah(as) gone against the teachings of Quran, then you had the right to ask.. otherwise, no point. You explain to me from Quran or hadith if one can be living in heaven alive without food and will be sent down to earth bodily alive. Any example you could think of?