Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Ibn_Sadique

Yes All mortals eat and Allah (swt) does not eat.

As you know Christians attributed divinity to Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) so Allah (swt) is nullifying this claim by reminding the Christians that (while Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) was around (on Earth) among his followers) he used to eat food.

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) is NOT DEAD and is in Heaven now – this is the Belief of Muslims – He is in the care of Allah (swt). This is Alam al Ghayb – This known only to Allah (swt). If it is necessary for Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) to eat being a Mortal, Allah (swt) will provide for him.

And it is within Allah’s (swt) Ability keep him Alive without food for how long He likes – for this is easy for Allah (swt) – All He has to say is: ’Be’ ‘It Happens.’

All mortals eat, and Allah does not eat. Mortals must keep eating to be alive in their physical bodies. Once a mortal stops eating, He is dead. Same thing applies for Jesus a.s as well. He a.s was a mortal as well. The very fact that he is not eating now makes him the like of God. I’m not concerned with if hes eating now .. what hes eating.. you must provide evidence from Quran that he a.s is still eating. Your answer of God must be providing him food is very weak!. That is your speculation. No evidence whatsoever.

You are limiting Allah (swt) Ability to fit in with your beliefs!

As I said this is in Alam al Ghayb – The facts are these:

1. While on Earth Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) ate food like any mortal.

2. Romans/Jews did not kill him.

3. Allah (swt) raised Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) to Himself, body and soul.

4. Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) is in Heaven now in Allah (swt)’s care.

How Allah (swt) is maintaining him? That’s up to Allah (swt) as He is the Provider of all human needs.

1. he ‘ate’ food like any mortal. He a.s is not eating food anymore. If he a.s is NOT eating food. He is either 1) dead or 2) the like of God.

2. Yeah, nobody killed him. Passing away of prophets is mentioned in 2 ways. Jesus a.s passed away from a natural death, not by getting killed.

3. No. Allah did not. You have no evidence for this.

4. He a.s must be in heaven with all the prophets who died. He does not need to be alive to be in heaven.

That’s quite a statement ! that its upto allah how hes maintaining him. You have a belief which is not approved by Quran. Allah is provider of all human needs. Food is human’s number 1 need. But hes not eating anymore. Are you saying God alone is paak from eating but Jesus a.s also shares this attribute of Allah ?

Refer to the following ayah:

*So We said: O Adam! This is an enemy to you and to your wife; therefore let him not drive you both forth from the garden so that you should be unhappy; [20:117]

Surely it is (ordained) for you that you shall not be hungry therein nor bare of clothing; [20:118]*

If Allah (swt) has ordained that Hz. Adam (as) and his wife (ra) will not be hungry; the same can apply for Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum.( For us this was while they were in Heaven but for Ahamdis this was in Mesopotamia)

Yeah, all of this happened on Earth. Adam was a messenger.. if there was no humans on earth, who was he a messenger to? what message did he bring ? But hey, thats not important. Our souls are created by Allah almighty, our bodies are given on Earth. Whatever your belief of Adam a.s is , he was not given the Earthly body when he was in heaven ( talking from your belief ). Once you’re given an earthly body, you are bound to have the needs of what your body requires. Oxygen, food, water etc..

5. He will descend to Earth when Allah (swt) Will it.

The exact state of the life of Prophet Isa ibn Maryam (as) after the Allah (swt) chose to raise him to Himself is obviously from amongst the knowledge of the Ghayb ‘unseen’…..and that knowledge of the ‘unseen’ is known to none save Allah (swt).

If the knowledge of the exact physical condition of the Hz. Isa ibn Maryam (as) after he was raised by Allah (swt) was important for the guidance of mankind to the Straight Path of Allah, surely Allah (swt) and His Last and Final Prophet (saw) would have made it known to the believers!

You are hiding behind the belief of Allah doing anything. I NEVER said he cannot. I never did. All i’m saying is that Allah has set some standards for himself that he himself do not break. taking someone to heavens alive bodily is something Allah has never done and will never do. Verses show that Allah does not literally send down a book.. one verse also shows that you cannot put a ladder to heaven and grab anything you like. Verses tell you that Allah is paak from doing all this. Allah is Qaadir and qadeer over all that he wishes. But His laws are absolute. If he says he will not do a certain thing, believe me, He is certain in his promises. He will not do it. Allah says i’m the one who gives u birth from a single drop of sperm, raise you in a weak condition, give you strength and cause your body to go back to weak condition again. That is the sunnat of Allah. Allah says that whomsoever he grants a long life, he causes his condition to revert to that of a child ( of weak condition ), that is the sunnah of Allah. There are verses in Quran which shows that Allah does have the capability of doing anything but he will simply not do it because its not His sunnah for his creation. Verse which goes something like, if he wishes to make everyone believer, he can, but he will not do it. There are other verses as such but i’ll leave that up for now.

Since this was not told we leave it as is and entertain so speculations or wild guess works.

But you are constrained by statements of MGAQ :–

God has revealed to me in this special inspiration that Maseeh Ibne Marym (Jesus) is dead - (Tauzeeh-e-maram, Roohany Khazaaen, vol.3 p.402)

I have been informed about the grave of Jesus (in Kashmir). And I have been informed by holy Quran and God’s revelation to me about the death of Jesus –** Roohany Khazaen, vol. 18, p 358, 361
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Brother psyah’s efforts to convince you with all the evidences he can muster are falling on deaf ears and closed minds because the information MGAQ received is via his “WAHI” – Naturally No Ahamdi will go against the “WAHI” of MGAQ, understandably so.

Hazrat Ahmad (as) as I believe was a true prophet of God, whose advent was prophesised by Muhammad PBUH himself. God informed him that Jesus a.s which was sent 2000 years ago is no more alive. He a.s is dead. Yes, he did say his grave is located in Kashmir. Now, you see so many people doing research on this regard.

Hz Ahmad (as)'s revelation on anything ( but for now, we’re talking about the death of Jesus a.s ) does not contradict Islam. Yes, some beliefs contradict the mullah version of Islam. But he a.s has explained his stance and his beliefs based on Quran and ahadith. Whether mullahs accept it or not is not the concern. Whats more important is that he a.s explained the verses and beliefs in which muslim are in great confusion.

But Brother psyah’s efforts are not in vain, I am sure just like me many other viewers have benefited by the information given by him.

If there are any markets where Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) is in heaven then his must walking around the markets too. That is if there are markets there in the first place.

ok.. so no markets in heaven, no earthly food in heaven. He a.s is neither walking with his body in markets, neither is he eating earthly food.

I don’t see any shirk here at all. Do you think it is beyond Allah (swt)’s ability to keep anybody alive without food forever? Please don’t put conditions on Allah’s (swt) ability?

Allah says that their(prophets) bodies were not made as such that required no food. Meaning, they do require food. Get this straight. Allah says their bodies require food.