Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

The way I am explaining it detaches it from the clause of the ayat, by taking the meaning (look at your history of those past prophets) … but you are connecting it to the clause …you are saying that the verse is talking about the said prophet has died, but you are ignoring those parts of the verse that qualify the clause - i.e. in the case of Muhammad (SAW) it mentions others were slain or died and in the case of Isa (AS) it mentions how others ate food. So you conclude that statement in red above, but since qad khalat is only providing the basis for look at the example of those previous prophets … didn’t they eat food? So your statement should say “Jesus (AS) was a prophet like them in their eating habits” … whereas previously Sayyidina Muhammad (SAW) was a prophet like some of those who have come, because they were killed or like most were known to have died. (AS) ..
This also proves the condition that he (SAW) had died in … there are references that suggest the poison that he (SAW) was fed tormented him until he (SAW) died …

Also the way you are explaining it makes it appear the verse is talking about all previous prophets in both cases, but I am saying that it does not include all prophets of the past, but it wants you to look at similar examples from the sea of past prophets to find similarity in their stories.

To summarise:

Qad khalat does not give context to the verse, it is setting the conditions from which the context is being generated - you have not recognised this.

The verse is not making a definitive statement regarding the pattern of ALL previous prophets - you have not recognised this either.

My conclusion is that these verses do not show that Isa (AS) has died yet … rather if anything demonstrate that he (AS) has not died yet, when compared together.

Peace,
Sorry to keep quoting you. You can decide not to reply, and let someone else answer, which would be fine to me.

You cannot explain the verse however you like to. You need to see the verse and interpret it accordingly.

In case of Muhammad PBUH, it is said, prophets before him have ‘passed away’.. then it explains the way of ‘passing away’ by sayin if he s.a.w either gets killed or dies a natural death..

In case of Jesus a.s, you’re not getting it! Jesus a.s is combined with all the prophets before Him that passed away. For the eating part, only Jesus a.s and His mother was said to used to eat. Keep in mind, the verse is about Jesus a.s, not about prophets that passed away before Him. Obviously all the prophets before Him used to eat as well.. but its all about jesus a.s in this verse. He died like other prophets have died,(thats first part of the verse) and he used to eat(thats second part of the verse). There are 2 things Allah is talking about in one verse. His death like other prophets, and his being mortal because he a.s used to eat. What you said about highlighted is WRONG! the term qad khalat was used to for the basis of connecting Jesus a.s with other prophets. ‘messengers like him have passed away’. Then allah says His mother was a truthful woman. Then Allah says they both used to eat food(verse is about Jesus a.s). Your analogy of the use of term qad khalat in that verse is absurd.

How these both verses make you think that Jesus a.s is still alive is beyond my understanding. Everything is crystal clear ! Allah makes his signs clear in different ways. For goodness sake, dont misinterpret verses of Quran which dont even need explanation. Which can even be understood by a 4th grader.

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