Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

The term “Qad Khalat” translates as “passed away” or “passed on” or “come and gone” - as can be seen these all contain a literal meaning and metaphoric one … “qad khalat” can mean “has died”** but it can also mean “gone”** - And even if it didn’t the verse does not say “all” prophets - it merely says “prophets” but for these reasons and others within our tradition we can comfortably say that the Wisdom of Allah (SWT) has kept it clear that Isa (AS) cannot be exclusively said to have died anywhere in scriptures.

Peace psyah,
Sorry but you need education in Quran. You are making this mistake over and over. You do not see the interpretation that you make is going against the fundamentals of Quran, Islam and Shariyah.

If ‘Qad Khalat’ was the term you want to argue then I have given you 2 verses in which this term is used, and its used for people/nations that have passed away. There is no metaphorical meaning to it. Qad khalat does mean death/passing away in all of the verses of Quran. Show me any verse in which it is taken as metaphorically? Qad khalat term is used in both of the verses in which I’m arguing. 5:75 as well as 3:145. Are you taking passing away/death as metaphorically? if so, may I ask how ? any other verse you can provide in which it is meant metaphorically? Also, how can you use death/passing away as metaphorically anyway ?

Here’s yet another verse which uses Qad Khalat, and meaning taken is passed away/dead.

7-38 He will say, ‘Enter ye into the Fire among the nations of Jinn and men who passed away before you.’ Every time a people enters, it shall curse its sister (people) until, when they have all successively arrived therein, the last of them will say of the first of them: ‘Our Lord, these led us astray, so give them a double punishment of the Fire.’ He will say, ‘For each preceding party there shall be double punishment, but you do not know.’

And yet another verse :

46-18 But the one who says to his parents, ‘Fie on you both! do you threaten me that I shall be brought forth again, when generations have already passed away before me?’ And they both cry unto Allah for help and say to him: ‘Woe unto thee! believe; for the promise of Allah is true.’ But he says, ‘This is nothing but the fables of the ancients.’

I can give you more, but I hope this should be sufficient. So, Qad Khalat does mean death/passing away. You are to show me a verse in which Qad Khalat is used which does not mean passing away/death but rather means ‘gone’ and ‘gone’ in a sense that it will return to earth. You are just playing with words. You have no possible explanation to what I have consistently been asking.

Now, you are telling me that the verse dont say ‘all’ prophets have died.

Refer back to both of these verses again.

3-144 And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.

5-75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.

first verse quotes says Messengers before Muhammad have passed away either by getting killed or by dying a natural death. Jesus a.s came right before Muhammad PBUH, some 600 years ago. Theres no mention of another possibility of passing away. Killed or natural death.

Second verse states that Messiah was only a messenger, messengers like him have passed away. Now, what needs more clarification in this ? Qad khalat is used in both verses, both to mean passing away. You are wrong when you say it means ‘gone’.. since right after passing away, in 3-144, Allah explains 2 ways of passing away. Both ways are death !

Allah has made the circle tighter by first saying Messengers before Muhammad PBUH have passed away.. which include everyone before Him. No exception. Jesus a.s was ‘before’ Muhammad PBUH. Then in 5-75, cleared any doubts by combining jesus a.s with prophets before him and called him dead along with all prophets before him.

If you insist it is not to be taken as all prophets, then the burden of proof lies on you to show me any messenger BEFORE Messiah son of Mary alive. Since even in 5-75 there is no mention of all prophets dead, but we know no prophet is alive before Jesus a.s. So kindly, please show me any prophet alive from Quran which is before Isa a.s

Thank you.

ps: just thought i’d share this verse as well , because you think prophets CAN live without food. Here you have it.

21-8 And We did not give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they to live for ever.

this verse also means that if you are to eat, then you will die. If you do not eat, then you are either dead or you are God. Because Allah alone is to live forever.