Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@kchughtai

Ibn-e-saddique and sharmanny, this thread was about various verses of the holy Quran and their interpretation. this topic itself is so huge that cannot be dealt with in a single thread then why are you keep on throwing all sorts of irrelevant stuff about jammat-e-Ahmadiyya, the promised Messiah (as), his names, his writings? It seems that you don’t want answers, you simply want to cloud things. this shows your frustration and nothing else.
It is simply too easy to throw allegations. If you want to discuss about his writings, we can start a new thread to discuss one thing at a time. You will see the dishonesty of the people who have taken excerpts from his writings (of course you haven’t read them, have you?) when we start answering allegations. The purpose should be to get answers and understand point of view of each other and nothing else.

**Kchughtai **– Please go through the whole thread with unbiased mind and gauge for yourself if anything I said is irrelevant.

About me bring in the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, how is it irrelevant to the thread? Agreed this thread is “about various verses of the holy Quran and their interpretation”

Read again my relevant post quoted below; I have pointed out how a verse of Quran has been misinterpreted to somehow prove the Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in mentioned in the Bible and the Quran.

@Ibn_Sadique

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The Holy Qur’an relates in Chapter Al-Saff (Chapter 61, verses 7-10):**

And call to mind when Jesus, son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel, surely, I am Allah’s Messenger unto you, fulfilling that which is before me of the prophecies of the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad… He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that it may cause it to prevail over all religions.
From these verses of the Holy Qur’an we see that Jesus prophesied the coming of Ahmad, who is referred to in the Holy Bible as ‘Paraclete’ or ‘the Comforter’ (John 14:15-26 & 16:7-14). This refers to the Holy Prophet Muhammad’s, may peace and blessing of Allah be upon him, other name ‘Ahmad’ who came and brought the Religion of Truth – Islam - which will ‘prevail over all religions’. That will happen in the time of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, may peace be upon him, and so it is dual prophecy relating to the coming of the Holy Prophet – Ahmad and the fulfilment of the Holy Prophet’s message in the time of the Promised Messiah – Ahmad.

Claims of the Promised Messiah

That is Ahmadi site -

Read Note 3037 (Right at the end) ………………..But as a corollary it may also apply to the promise Messiah, Founder of Ahmadiyyah Movement, because he has also been called Ahmad in Divine revelation (Barahin Ahmadiyya) and because also in his person the second Manifestation of the Holy Prophet……………..

The Holy Quran

See how cunningly Ghulam Ahmad has been transformed into Ahmad - I rest my case.

Popat let me try to explain It to you for the last time.

There are 2 types of compound names, like; Muhammad Ali; Muhammad Ahmad or Mushtaq Ahmad.

Here 2 independent names are compounded to form a single name. Both these names can stand on their own as they are proper names in their own right.

For example, a person named Muhammad Ali could be called Ali for short but in all the official matters he will be called Muhammad Ali.
Then we have compound names which are not independent of each other.

Let’s take Ghulam Ahmad for example. Here the one set of the name is dependent on the other. If you separate them, the Ghulam part makes no sense. Ahmad is independent name of it’s own.

Ghulam Ahmad means slave of Ahmad. Here ‘Ghulam Ahmad’ is the slave and Ahmad is the master.

So Ghulam Ahmad can never be Ahmad. When the parents name their son Ghulam Ahmad the intent is that this boy is slave of Ahmad.

Enough of this, I hope this time around it makes sense to you.