Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders
Popat I am quoting my post 153 again for your benefit:
Popat – You present yourself as a rationalist modernist, but that is all a facade. You claim that you follow the Quran, Hadith and Ijmah Sahabah but that is all lip-service.
I did a search and now I understand your difficulties and the reasons you are stubbornly and doggedly going in circles – you are constrained by philosophy of Ahmadiyat – No wonder whatever is explained to you by using the language of the Quran and authentic ahadith you doggedly stick to your line completely ignoring the Quran and ahadith.
And yet keep claiming that you are following the Quran and ahadith!!!
I wanted to know what ticked you so did some research on the Net and wanted to see how Ahmadis translated the Quran verses and explained them – The results as follows:
I have taken translation of ayahs 7:24 and 7:25 – (By Ahmadi reckoning 7:25 and 7:26 respectively.)Note 961
He said therein you shall live and therein you shall die and therefrom shall you be brought forth. – Note 962
Translation and Notes can be viewed at the following link:
The Holy Quran
Notes:
961 The verse shows that Adam was commanded to emigrate from the land of his birth because enmity and hatred had sprung up between different members of his community. This constitutes further evidence of the fact that the “garden” which Adam was commanded to leave was not Paradise. It appears that Adam emigrated from Mesopotamia, the land of his birth, to a neighbouring land. The emigration was perhaps a temporary one and he may have returned to his native land not long after. Indeed the words, provision for a time, contained a veiled hint at them emigration being a temporary one. Adam is warned in this verse to be careful in the future. For it was in his native land he was to live forever.
Above is all pure speculation, nothing definite. Usage of following words/phrases “This constitutes further evidence” “It appears” “was perhaps” “contained a veiled hint” shows pure speculation – nothing backed by ahadith.
962 . Taken in general sense the verse hints that no human being can ascend to the Heavens in his physical; body. Man must live on earth and die.
“general sense the verse hints” It just hints nothing definite.
Popat Do you really believe the following, if so, can you give reference from Quran or ahadith?
It appears that Adam emigrated from Mesopotamia, the land of his birth, to a neighbouring land.
The Holy Quran
**Popat **
See the Ahmadi Tafseer states that “General sense the verse hints that no human being can ascend to the Heavens in his physical”
Yes, that is in general sense - but what we have been talking about is not in general sense but in exceptional circumstances when Divine Will is involved -Miracles of Allah - general sense goes out when Divine Will takes over - And Nothing is impossible for Allah (swt)! All He has to say is “BE” and it is DONE. You cannot put limitations on ABILITY of Allah to suit your arguments.
What He wishes - It is DONE.
As for what Hz. Isa Ibn Maryam (as) eats - That you leave it Allah (as) Allah is the Razzaq and He will and is taking care of Isa Ibn Maryam (as) - All that is in Allah’s Domain - you don’t need to worry about that.
Mr.Popat:
Post 108
What is your jammat’s stance to the Miracles mentioned the Quran?
Do you believe that Hazrat Adam (as) was the first human created?
Do you believe that Hazrat Ibrahim (as) survived in the fire by Allah’s (swt) Will??
Do you believe that Hazrat Musa (as) parted the Red Sea by Allah’s (swt) Will?
Do you believe Hazrat Isa (AS) literally cured the blind by Allah’s (swt) Will?
Do you believe Hazrat Isa (AS) literally healed the leper by Allah’s (swt) Will?
Do you believe Hazrat Isa (AS) literally raised the dead by Allah (swt) Will?
Do you believe Hazrat Isa (AS) literally made a bird come to life by Allah’s (swt) Will?
Do you believe that Prophet Muhammad (saw) split the moon in two by Allah’s (swt) Will?
Please bear in mind that ALL these miracles are done with Allah (swt)’s WILL. I believe in ALL of them in the literal sense. Do you?
I hope you answer the above.
Who told you that Miracles are not approved by the Quran?
Please don’t bring in your pseudo rationality pseudo intellectualism into play.
If you believe in Allah (swt)'s ability to do miracles then life will be easy for you; otherwise you will be stuck in your pseudo rationality pseudo intellectualism.
If you answer the above then we can carry on.