Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

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Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

Peace,

I’m not gonna let this go either. I want you explaining this verse the way you understand it then.

Yes, because Quran says therein shall we live. That’s how i’m taking it as. We “AS HUMANS” are bound to “live” on this Earth. Did i deny the possibility of any other ‘creature’ outside of Earth? No, i did not. If you read a verse before *7:25.. it is like this : He said, ‘Go forth, some of you being enemies of others. And for you there is an abode on the earth and a provision for a time.’ then 7:25 itself is : He said, ‘Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and therefrom shall you be brought forth.’
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Now, if you keep insisting that i’m emphasizing that no one can live outside of this earth, then yes, i only say what Quran is telling me. No human being can live outside of this Earth. For one to be alive outside of this Earth is by means of taking earthly stuff with them.

Let me break it down for you so you can understand.

1. you claim to be a follower of the holy book Quran
2. When a verse if presented to you negating your belief, you start questioning the verse itself, rather than interpreting it properly ( if you think im doing it wrong ).
3. On one hand, Allah is saying ‘therein shall you live’, on another hand you’re asking ME if no one can live outside of Earth.
4. I said, if you question me based on the Quranic verse, you’re not questioning me but rather the validity of the verse.

Yes, I’m an ahmadi.. and unlike some sects of Islam, we are told and encouraged to ponder upon the beliefs which our leaders have set based on Quran and ahadith and if we have even an iota of doubt, we can ask them from anything to everything. Alhamdulillah, we do not keep saying yes yes to anything or any belief told to us blindly.. we are encouraged to research more about it and ask the higher authorities of any doubts concerning any belief. The book you quoted above is a great one. Keep reading! .. theres no point talking about it since i NEVER denied the possibility of life in any other planet (wont be humans). Though, here we’re talking about HUMANS. Read 7:24-25. I’m not more intelligent than the ones who have written books.. but my views are certainly parallel to what they have said, as far as I know. And i do research in my spare time to have more knowledge about certain topics..

Again, the verse you quoted, I HAVE an answer to that.. but really, i told you not to unknowingly have enmity against Quran. Your this behaviour may led non muslims to mock at quran saying that it has contradictions. On one hand Allah says u cannot live outside of this earth, and then on another hand hes telling you to pass beyond the regions of heavens and earth. Like I said, I DO have an answer to that.. but at this point I want you explaining why God said ‘therein shall you live’ ?

Bringing another verse in response to another verse shows that quran has contradictions. Clear one verse with me then ill tell you what the verse you mentioned means.

Peace Mr.Popat

Ok, so now you have changed the definition of the verse yet again … First, it was “therein you shall live”, which according to you means “NO ONE can live outside the Earth” , now you are giving further qualification, and interpretation by saying, “no HUMAN can live outside the Earth”,

you seriously want me to take your version as a mere reading? You are clearly confused and reinterpreting upon each hurdle.

Let me refer back to the ‘Al Islam’ website …

**Jam-'i-him is the Arabic expression in this verse which specifically speaks of bringing together of life on earth and the life elsewhere. When this meeting of the two will take place is not specified, nor is it mentioned whether it will happen here on earth or elsewhere. One thing however, is definitely stated: this event will most certainly come to pass whenever God so desires.

**The website clearly believes there is a possibility of Man living outside the Earth … I agree with them too … Let’s look at verse 55:33 again …

Sahih International
O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ].

You see I’m not denying the verse you give … I’m merely contextualising it with another verse …

Mr.Popat … Any verse from the Quran does not negate my belief that verse is my belief … Instead of trying to make it take a meaning I wish it to take like you are doing, I look at it and in context to other verses, something you have clearly not done, also, I look to see from the rules in Arabic whether exceptions to the statement are possible …

Rather you so desperately want it to take a meaning where you want it to oppose the ascension of Isa(AS) that you are stumbling … The verse itself has nothing to do with Isa(as), specifically.

Arabic if you study it that I strongly recommend has certain ways to SPECIFY a statement …these ways are either by using terms of Tawkeed, emphasis … Words like “Kullu”, “inna”, etc … Also there will be negative sentences … Such as “la ilaha ilAllah” … There is no ilah except Allah … Negation plus exception in the tahleel statement shows a very strong identification of only one possibility.

Another way is when Arabic uses a whole new sentence to qualify a previous one, they occur one after the other … Such as in Surah Fatihah …

The path taken by those who earned your favour, not by those who went … Here although a positive statement is being made the negation was used to qualify the positive one … The structure ONLY … Can be invoked by swapping around certain words and placing Harf before them, like in IyyakaNa’budu … Which means “Only You we worship” … The normal construct for “You we worship” is “Na’buduka”.

Logically also if I make a statement “I ate the apple” … It does not mean from here that I did not eat a banana … Unless I say " I only ate the apple" …