Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Ibn_Sadique

No worries, insert the words ‘the LAST PROPHET’ the meaning remain the same.

Here I’ll do it for you: I’ll just insert the words ‘the LAST’ in what I had written; the meaning remains the same unless you don’t want to see it for obvious reasons.

“The following narration is attributed to – Hz. Ayeisha(ra):

"Say he is ‘the LAST of prophets’ but do NOT say ‘there is no prophet after him’

The above statement clearly states that she is advising and reminding the people that though Hz. Muhammad (saw) is the last Messenger of Allah Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) who is a messenger will be coming in the end of times.

They were also well aware that this time around he will be coming as an Islamic leader and not as messenger.

And nowhere in the ahadith literature will Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) ever claim that his status is that of a messenger.

He is the ‘last of prophets’ but do NOT say there is no prophet after Him, indicates another prophet coming. What’s mind boggling is that you do not understand simple English either. If he is infact the last of prophets, in its all literal sense, then hz ayesha needed not to say do NOT say there is no prophet after him. Now, new prophet or Jesus a.s.. it doesnt matter for now.. a prophet 'AFTER" him indeed. It shows that Jesus a.s WILL be a prophet. You are waiting for him, we say He died. Therefore, the title of prophet is given to him.. no matter who comes, earlier one or a new one…and ‘after’ Him as well. What is it that you dont understand ?

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) will follow the Shariah and Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) – adding nothing to it nor subtracting anything from it.”

Who are you to decide as to who Allah (swt) grants the commission to lead Muslim Ummah?

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) will never come to teach ‘new Islam’. He will follow all that Prophet Muhammad (saw) did and believed in. He will not add anything nor subtract anything from Islam.

Everything will be left in Purity just as Prophet Muhammad (saw) had left it.

Dishonesty yet again. If the islam you have is the same islam 1450 years ago, and it will remain like this.. believing in whichever fairytale your scholars tell you.. then i regret to inform you that you are merely having a belief of Jesus a.s coming. You cannot and will NOT accept Him telling you what real Islam is. Your excuse then would be that Islam is ‘complete’ and its in its ‘pure’ form.. yet you will not know that completion of a religion does not guarantee perfection in the ummah. There will be people just like YOU who will be rejecting Jesus a.s on the very same account that you’re rejecting clear proves in front of you.

There is no ‘new islam’. Your belief also is that Jesus a.s will come to clear about the beliefs in which they differed in. Coming to tell you the correct interpretation of verses. You should know very well that His interpretation could also contradict with all the scholar’s understanding of any belief. At that point, Jesus a.s’s words will be held true, everything else was false. Remember, no new islam there.
If you’ve been taught that after A comes C and then F and E.. and if the english teacher comes to tell you the pattern of alphabets, you dont call it new alphabets or new language.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has claimed to receive WAHI on par with Quran – And has assigned himself the task to interpret the Quran according his WAHI and rejecting the ahadith at variance to his WaHI!!!

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) will be far from that.

Prophet hood is bestowed by Allah (swt) on whom He Wills it. Nobody can promote himself/herself to Prophet hood however good and great they felt ‘inside’.

I think every Muslim person will have/or should have enmity towards self appointed prophets.

Hz Ahmad (as) explained Qur’an in a way no one else could. He a.s defended Islam and therefore was given the title of ‘champion of Islam’. He a.s was also called ‘Sultan ul qalm’ (master of pen). He a.s put in front of us such treasure of Islam which was hidden for centuries. All through divine guidance. He a.s used to receive Wahi from Allah. Allah stills talks to whomsoever He pleases. None dare take this quality of His away from Him.

His Wahi had nothing outside of what islam teaches us. This is what I mean when I say your belief is just to the point of merely saying it from your tongue. It still hasnt reached to your heart for approval. You believing that Jesus a.s will not add or subtract anything from Quran and YET telling you the correct understanding of verses which needs attention.. and when one person did the same thing, you have a problem.

As far as prophethood is concerned, Allah give this blessing to whomsoever He pleases. You cannot tell Him why Him, why not the other one.. why in this part of the world, why not there? why at this time, why not a century from now?.. these kind of questions are ridiculous. Prophethood is a blessing.. but to munkireen, Quran says prophethood is a fitnah. Everything a prophet does was strange to them. Them eating, them going to markets, them living their lives just like any other person on Earth. They find it strange and call it fitnah. So its ok. Its not just you, but rather all the ummahs who rejected prophets ask the same kind of questions.

Who is from Allah and who is not is also not in your control. You cannot just simply point at someone and call whatever you like unless you have solid proof. Unless you show them that His prophethood is not approved by Quran and ahadith. Unless you see His followers decreasing in numbers.. unless you show how Allah is not on their side. BUt what do we see? jamaat spreading in every corner of the earth.. the true message of Islam brought by hz Ahmad(as) is gaining popularity even among people who are not at the moment accept jamaat.. Followers increasing.. Has any false prophet given this much from Allah ? See for once, the evidence you give to christians in favor of Muhammad PBUH’s prophethood.. and apply that same evidence on Hz Ahmad(as) and see how Allah has helped Him, is helping Him with khilaafat, helping His jamaat, and helping them spread. See if you must. You must be stunned. Go on mta.tv and see how quickly the true message of Islam which has no fairytales involved in it is spreading. Alhamdulillah.

One sure shot confirmation of a confused person is the he doesn’t know whether to smile or cry.

In this state confused persons are known to do the both at the same time.

False pretenders will also claim prophet hood for themselves. And history has enough evidence of this.

A few ahadith about false prophets claiming prophet hood. (Of course Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has thrown these into the dust bin)

I feel sad for you because you do not believe in what you say. Yeah, its perfectly alright to say we are infact waiting for someone, the same kind of person whom we believe in , who will do the same task as was done by Hz Ahmad (as), but its just NOT HIM, but rather we are waiting for Jesus a.s. If you say that, then that would sound much better. Rather than you saying something from the tongue and not accepting it from your heart.

A confused person is someone who takes away someone’s prophethood just so they can keep one belief of khataman nabiyeen. Sad to say to you but Isa a.s is prophet and a messenger wheresoever He is. (a verse). Also, allah does not take away prophethood from anyone once given. You need to get your facts straight.

Like i said.. it takes a lot of courage for someone to claim prophethood. It is not an easy task. Allah said if someone says that I told him something when I have not, and hes lying, then i will bring him into account and will destroy him and his followers..and will not give their mission progress. Now, show me any jamaat who gets as much hatred from orthodox muslims as jamaat e ahmadiyya, show me any jamaat progressing and multiplying in numbers as fast as jamaat e ahmadiyya, and show me if the mission of jamaat has been destroyed. Show me if Hz Ahmad (as) was killed (like other imposters).. What does that show you? Are you saying Allah did not know there was a person saying that He is blessed with prophethood, and are you saying Allah is still unaware that one jamaat who you say is false is spreading and some outer force has been always there with them to help them? Again, use the same evidences you give to non muslims in favor of Muhammad PBUH’s prophethood and apply those on Hz Ahmad(as).

Narrated Abu Hurayrah: Allah’s Apostle said: "The Hour will not be established until two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, until about 30 dajjals appear, and each of them will claim that he is Allah’s Apostle..."(Related by Bukhari and Muslim)

Once the Prophet of Allah said, while delivering a ceremonial speech at an occasion of a solar eclipse, as Samura son of Jundub reported: “…Verily by God, the Last Hour will not come until 30 liars of prophecy will appear and the final one will be the One-eyed False Messiah.” (Narrated by Imam Ahmad as a sound Hadeeth).

1. 2 big groups sunni and shias are fighting..both following same religious doctrine. Dajjals appear.. they get destroyed by Allah. Allah make their believers to come back to the right path. He also does not help them grow in numbers. Their mission dies. True prophets mission never dies, their followers beliefs gets strengthen by the hardship of opponents..and Allah help their mission and help them grow in numbers. Whom has Allah does this for? You know the answer but it’s ok you can keep the answer to yourself.

2. ‘UNTIL’ 30 liars. Now, i’m not talking about those 30 liars for now.. But what about after 30? one true prophet, yeah ?

Muslims believe Allah (swt) raised Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) alive up to Himself; Allah (swt) has done that, so in similar fashion He will return Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) back.

For Allah (swt) nothing is difficult.

To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: “Be,” and it is. [Quran 2:117]

No. Allah did not raise him up alive. He a.s died like other messengers before him died. He used to eat like other prophets used to eat.
To say that he is alive with his physical body…is not on earth, does NOT eat is associating partner with allah, which is SHIRK!. Alive is only Allah outside of Earth. Who does NOT require food to eat and is still alive is Allah alone. Who does NOT die is none other than Allah alone. To say these qualities are also to be found in ONLY one more person is shirk.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad made a lot claims and there was no consistency in those claims.

I am posting 2 more statements of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; He claims that he is reincarnation of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
You guys believe in reincarnation???

And Know that just as our Holy Prophet (saw) was sent in the fifth thousand (the 6th century A.D.), in the same manner he was sent in the sixth thousand(the 13th century A.D.) in the incarnation of the Promised Messiah." ( Khutba-e-lhamiah, Roohany Khazaen , Vol. 16, P. 270; Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, P.180, 1st Edition, Qadian, 1902)

“The Holy Prophet (saw) had two advents. In other words, you may say that one mission was in the reincarnated form. It was promised that the Holy prophet (saw) would be sent to the world once again and this was fulfilled by the advent of the Promised Messiah and the promised Mehdi.”(Tuhfah-e-Golravia, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P. 249;Tuhfah-e-Golravia, P.94, 1st Edition, Qadian, 1902)

I have some more similar material of Ghulam Ahmad’s utterances. If you deny these, I’ll get someone to post scanned copies of it for your and viewers benefit. – This will be done once you deny that above statements are correct.

I have explained the true meaning of incarnation that He meant. The role of the name of Ahmad which was given to Muhammad PBUH was yet to be completed. Therefore, the explanation to the quotes above.

Can you please give us the names of the parents of both? Please? Please? Pleaseeeee? See I have aske 3 times

lol! this shows your level of maturity.
btw, is this the reason why the name ‘Muhammad’ is so common in the world? you never know which one is imam mahdi ? Really? If its the name you’re after then i’m sorry but which Muhammad pbuh are you believing in ? when Jesus a.s is giving us glad tiding of a prophet with the name of “Ahmad” ? Buddy, i said the hadith in which holy prophet said his name will be my name, his parents name will be my parents name.. indicating his complete subordination to prophet Muhammad PBUH. Just to add to your knowledge , Ahmad also is Muhammad PBUH’s name. Both have different meaning to it. In your scholar’s books they have written that the role of Muhammad pbuh (glad tiding) is completed, now the hadith saying that his name will be my name etc, is indicating the 2nd name’s role completion ( Ahmad ), ( the role of warning ).. thats a whole different topic and you need to spend some time to read Islamic literature to be able to discuss that with me.

Prophet Muhammad (saw) had done job to perfection and delivered complete Islam, nothing was left out.

*This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. *(Quran 3:5)

completion of religion and favor does not mean completion of nabuwat. You are again mixing it up. Ever after believing this, you’re waiting for Jesus a.s. Your mind is twisted my friend.

Absolutely nothing could be added to Islam and nothing could be taken out. Any such deed would tantamount to rebelling against none other than Allah (swt) Himself!!!

Jesus a.s’s role will be to bring out true teachings of Islam even if that means contradicting Mullah’s understanding of any belief. People with imaan in their hearts will listen to Jesus a.s, not scholars who will be the majority at that time.

Has anybody the right to reject authentic ahadith? Authentic ahadith are the very words uttered the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw)! “I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER.) That’s how Ghulam Ahmad will deal with authentic sayings of the Blessed Prophet Muahammad (saw)!

You have used the word INDICATES – that show uncertainty!

To us its certain. To you it should atleast indicate.

Religion also gets divided when false prophets ‘arrive’. By following Ghulam Ahmad Mirza you have opted to be form his Ummah parted company with Muslims

With ‘Advent’ of BahaUllah, Bahais opted out. So, false prophets do divide the religion. History has ample proof of that.

This is the behavior of prophets.

1. He is known as a pious person before his nabuwat period
2. He is told he is a prophet
3. He hesitate to take this responsibility.. tries to run away from it
4. He keeps getting revelations
5. He is told to go to his people and tell them. Upon accepting him as prophet, He suggest his followers to have patience as there will be tough times.
6. He announces His prophethood and bring signs from Lord in his favor
7. He then keep progressing in His mission

This is Allah’s behavior towards his true prophets

1. He keeps the prophet under His shadow
2. He gives defeat to His opponents in every path of their lives
3. He give victory after victory to Him
4. He helps His mission to spread
5. He multiplies His followers
6. He does not let them down
7. He test His prophet with the most bitter opponents and help Him and His followers succeed
8. He bestows the blessing of Khilaafat to the prophet whom he promises.

Ummah has been proven to be divided after the coming of TRUE prophet.. not false prophet. When hes false, ummah needs to care less about it as Allah himself will take care of it as He promised. At one point the whole ummah is going on one path, then Allah send a prophet among them and from then creates differences. This difference of followers of prophet vs people who rejected Him has always happened in history.

Anway, rest of it later. Have fun reading..and do try to gain some knowledge with this post. Thanks.
Peace.