Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Ibn_Sadique

Popat Yes I did write a lot but now have out done me. So that you know that I read you post with clear mind I am going to respond to all that you wrote. I was really stretched for time but then I did it. It was an effort.

Popat – You sound confused.

Allow me to repeat myself for the umpteenth time:

You have to understand the Quran by the criteria given above. That is the accepted ‘formula’ among the Muslims. Outside this criterion is sheer speculation and guess work.

The Qur’an makes it abundantly clear that the function of the Messenger is not merely that of a deliveryman who simply delivers the revelation from Allah (swt) to us. Rather, he has been entrusted with the most important task of explaining and illustrating the same. This is a point mentioned in a number of verses in the Qur’an:

*[And We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance that you mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that haply they may reflect.] (16:44)

[And We have revealed the Scripture unto thee only that thou mayst explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.] (An-Nahl 16:64)*

Therefore, Hadith explains, clarifies, and removes ambiguities about the Qur’an. Hence, once we reject the Hadith, we may never be able to figure out the whole meaning of the Qur’an.

I don’t want to understand any other way than the above criterion.

Quran, sunnah, hadith are our standards on making beliefs as well.
I dont see my time being spent in a good way by replying to you honestly.
You say quran explains it self and then you are the one who takes one verse , interpret it your way and put a hand on the rest of the other verses which if translated/interpreted shakes your belief. But you’ve been told that once you accept isa a.s death, you must accept ahmadiyyat and to avoid that, you are doing everything you possibly can.. even if your mind doesnt accept it. carry on.

The Quran encourages Muslims to ponder and reflect over the ayahs of the Quran; that does not mean we use limited human rationality (Compared with Wisdom of Allah (swt)) and pseudo-intellectualism to understand and explain the Qurannic ayahs.

If we did that, results will be disastrous – Like Hz. Adam was born in Mesopotamia; Mr. Iblis was a man and a trouble maker.

The problem lies here:

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad states:

“The basis for our claims is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to me. Yes, in support we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. Rest of the Hadith, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER.” (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)
His main Criteria is that AHADITH SHOULD NOT CONTRADICT HIS WAHI!!!

So his Wahi takes precedence over the sayings of the Blessed Messenger of Allah (saw)!!!

You (Ahmadis) interpret Quran, ahadith and Sunnah in the light of “WAHI” received by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; We Muslims stick to what Prophet Muhammad (saw) had stated, anything beyond that is false to us - therein in lies the problem between us.

So I reject Ahmadiyyat and accept Islam as conveyed by Prophet Muhammad (saw) for my Salvation.

Let me repeat myself yet again

lol !. Theres nothing wrong in believing Hz Adam a.s was born in Mesopotamia. How is it ‘disastrous’ ? Beliefs which create differences in us are the ones that needs to be addressed. I can go on and explain the whole phenomena behind Adam a.s birth but really its not gona get anywhere.

You are being dishonest here. I explained it earlier that Allah has promised to keep Quran safe, NOT ahadith. Out of 100,000’s of ahadith, imam Bukhari chose couple of thousands after having researched a lot about their authenticity. Quran is the basis , to expand the understanding of what Quran has to say, we use ahadith to understand the context of Quran in a better way. Now, any hadith contradicting Quran must be questioned for their authenticity. His Wahi was a direct revelation from Allah, which was in accordance to Quran. Him being a prophet, ofcourse He has the authority to tell you which hadith is and is not legit. I see nothing wrong in that. You should not either. Jesus a.s would have done exactly the same if he was to come

Our standard is Quran first and every hadith is true as long as it is in accordance to Quran. It should be the same for you too. Quran first, then anything else.

Anyone can claim that they understood Quran the way it should be understood. But its just a claim ! to prove this, you must show that your interpretation of any verse does not contradict with any other verse of Quran. I guarantee you our interpretation does not contradict with any of the verse from Quran as we see Quran in its entirety.